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Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 9/27/16 at 3:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I don't understand it Straws. People are melting harder over this than the Georgia Southern loss. 
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 5:51 pm to slayerxing
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In 2007, in Urban year 3, UF gave up 42 to uga and 41 to Michigan en route to a 9-4 season. UF had a heisman qb and everything but still lost 4 games including laying an egg to auburn at home.
um....you do see the huge, massive difference between comparing 2007 Meyer to 2016 Mac right-- I mean other than Meyer making the team more talented each year and the talent level going down each season with Mac.
Here's a hint-- there's a crystal ball in the trophy case.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:21 pm to olemc999
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I don't understand it Straws. People are melting harder over this than the Georgia Southern loss.
It's so fricking weird, bro.
I didn't even feel that bad the next day -- I was pissed the day of but after a bit of time to think I kinda knew it was gonna happen before it happened.
I would definitely understand if we lost to Vandy, then I'd be a little worried but only after that. Gotta let him finish up the year, and then next year we'll assess how it really is.
For damn sure can't talk about his record by having Treon Mf'ing Harris at quarterback. There isn't a coach in the world that could have salvaged last year outside of having Grier.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:28 pm to montanagator
Here is a HINT for you Montanta, Meyer started in 2005, and 2006 NC was Zooks defense & Chris Leak pal and to say otherwise is foolish. Sure Urban recruited Tebow but Mac has brought QBs in too my friend...of course you wont admit it.
Why dont we fire every coach who doesnt meet your fricking expectations? Spurrier BTW LOST to UT in Neyland something like 45-3 in 1990...his first year dumbazz...after the game was 7-3 a
You start posting crap about our coaches...be prepared for a brutal reply from me
Why dont we fire every coach who doesnt meet your fricking expectations? Spurrier BTW LOST to UT in Neyland something like 45-3 in 1990...his first year dumbazz...after the game was 7-3 a
You start posting crap about our coaches...be prepared for a brutal reply from me
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:48 pm to reel_gator8
That's true reel. Meyer took those players and won a NC. Mac is taking WM players and blowing 18 point leads, and getting in dog fights with UMass, FAU and Vandy. Urban also brought in Pounceys, Gilbert, Harvin, Dunlap, Spikes,Haden, Black, Floyd, Easley, Ropo, and some guy named Cam Newton. He also has never had a losing record, won at BG, dominated at Utah and won the NC with a backup QB against Saban. There is no comparison what so ever.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 6:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Treon and WM is to blame for this teams failure and the staff's inability to recruit top talent. Was it WM/Treon who gave up 38 straight points and 400 yards to UT, sat on the ball or why we only have 1 OL, 2 LBs and 3 DTs. All 3*s except Hansard who has grade problems, with a LB commit with a torn ACL and a juco DT who we're fighting Arkansas to keep? There's red flags all over the place
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:38 pm to TJGator1215
He has had ONE recruiting season really and we are ready to FIRE Mac? Get over the lost to UT....back in 1990 you halfwits would have wanted Spurrier fired too after we got taken behind the woodshed by UT 45-3 which made Saturdays L seem tame (BTW we still won the SEC...but because of violations never proven we had title and bowl game taken away) and we also had our ears boxed by the girls school. In 1991 went up to Syracuse and got beat 38-21..and in our bowl game we got waxed by Neuter Dame 39-28 fire Spurrier? In 1993 we had to beat UK in the last minute 24-20.
I could go on and on...but the point is this : be careful what you wish for. Some of the very best coaches have bad games...how about Bama losing to Louisiana NE, SW or whoever the hell they are in Sabans first year....Bama idiots wanted his head then. You cant have kneejerk reactions to a L unless you are a jerk. Stop it and simmer your butts down.
Teams just dont go undefeated in the SEC very often. We are going to lose a game..face it and dont be childish. I think we win out until Arkansas and with them having a bye week before our game....tough....but maybe the loss to UT will teach our players how to play on the road in hostil environment?
When we lost to an unranked AU in 2006 it was the best thing to happen to us...team was pizzed and came out strong and we won the BCS NC...2008 same thing, an Ole Miss team came into our house and wanted it more...Tebows speech and the rally around the team leaders meant another BCS NC. Can we win a NC this year? Damn right we can. Lets stop the negative horseshite...what does THAT do? Nothing.
Look at our defense in the first half and look at the offense ditto...even with crappy field position we slapped them around. That defense is insane dont kid yourself.
I could go on and on...but the point is this : be careful what you wish for. Some of the very best coaches have bad games...how about Bama losing to Louisiana NE, SW or whoever the hell they are in Sabans first year....Bama idiots wanted his head then. You cant have kneejerk reactions to a L unless you are a jerk. Stop it and simmer your butts down.
Teams just dont go undefeated in the SEC very often. We are going to lose a game..face it and dont be childish. I think we win out until Arkansas and with them having a bye week before our game....tough....but maybe the loss to UT will teach our players how to play on the road in hostil environment?
When we lost to an unranked AU in 2006 it was the best thing to happen to us...team was pizzed and came out strong and we won the BCS NC...2008 same thing, an Ole Miss team came into our house and wanted it more...Tebows speech and the rally around the team leaders meant another BCS NC. Can we win a NC this year? Damn right we can. Lets stop the negative horseshite...what does THAT do? Nothing.
Look at our defense in the first half and look at the offense ditto...even with crappy field position we slapped them around. That defense is insane dont kid yourself.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 10:15 pm to reel_gator8
That unranked Auburn team was very good and this team is nowhere near 2006 status. We knew SOS could coach that was evident by winning the ACC and even though he hated recruiting he had great recruiters on his staff. Even at a time when Miami, UT and FSU were all in their heydays. IF you want to see how good a coach is look at their coaching trees and how many of their assistants become HBC.
Meyer:
Tom Herman
Dan Mullen
DJ Durkin
Charlie Strong
Steve Addazio
Gary Andersen
Doc Holliday
Tim Beckman
Kyle Whittingham
All these guys became HBCs at P5 schools.
SOS
Charlie Strong
Bob Stoops
Marvin Lewis
Rick Stockstill
Ron zook
Mac
Shannon
Meyer:
Tom Herman
Dan Mullen
DJ Durkin
Charlie Strong
Steve Addazio
Gary Andersen
Doc Holliday
Tim Beckman
Kyle Whittingham
All these guys became HBCs at P5 schools.
SOS
Charlie Strong
Bob Stoops
Marvin Lewis
Rick Stockstill
Ron zook
Mac
Shannon
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 9/27/16 at 10:27 pm to TJGator1215
You're splitting hairs and doing it prematurely.
It's the first loss of the year and you're basically saying we ought to be looking for a new head coach.
People like you are going to be the reason no one wants to fricking coach for our program. What terrible fans, and the thing is: I actually called for Muschamp on his first year, and the second year wasn't that far beyond.
Like someone else said, Mac is 9 - 0 with his quarterback not going down. That's a big deal.
Before you say: Well he should recruit quarterbacks...
We have fricking four, which is four more than we had than last year. We had Harris and Grier, TOTAL at quarterback. Grier got popped, Harris is a slot receiver at best.
It sucks to lose, but stop shitting your pants and give him a year to develop at least one quarterback.
I remember when you were crowing how Appleby was bad based on his stats, and what happened? 326 yards, before the Oline (which was recruited HORRIBLY by Muschamp).
You were fricking dead wrong about Appleby, and I would make a bet on a fancy dinner of your choosing that you're wrong on Mac.
It's the first loss of the year and you're basically saying we ought to be looking for a new head coach.
People like you are going to be the reason no one wants to fricking coach for our program. What terrible fans, and the thing is: I actually called for Muschamp on his first year, and the second year wasn't that far beyond.
Like someone else said, Mac is 9 - 0 with his quarterback not going down. That's a big deal.
Before you say: Well he should recruit quarterbacks...
We have fricking four, which is four more than we had than last year. We had Harris and Grier, TOTAL at quarterback. Grier got popped, Harris is a slot receiver at best.
It sucks to lose, but stop shitting your pants and give him a year to develop at least one quarterback.
I remember when you were crowing how Appleby was bad based on his stats, and what happened? 326 yards, before the Oline (which was recruited HORRIBLY by Muschamp).
You were fricking dead wrong about Appleby, and I would make a bet on a fancy dinner of your choosing that you're wrong on Mac.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:01 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Yes a poster on a message board will be the end of Mac not blowing 21 point leads, having an offensive guru be held to -9.yards of total offense through midway of the 4th and 82 yards total in the 2nd half, all while signing middle of the SEC recruiting classes.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 1:11 am
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:22 am to TJGator1215
Its really depressing when you look at recruiting sites and see Auburn recruiting Florida better than UF for OL...
Our biggest need.
Recruiting is the lifeblood of any team and we're bleeding out. Mac better do something soon.
Our biggest need.
Recruiting is the lifeblood of any team and we're bleeding out. Mac better do something soon.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:41 am to LuciusSulla
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After listening to today's pressers, I think Saturday was a turning point
I was hoping the way we finished last year and the shite show in the bowl game was a turning point for at least team motivation.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:11 am to olemc999
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I don't understand it Straws. People are melting harder over this than the Georgia Southern loss.
I think it's because we were up 18 originally. If it was a back and forth game, where we ended up losing by 10, I think people may not be as pissed.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:13 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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I've seen enough to know McElwain is not the one just like I knew Muschamp was not the one very early.
I bet you also had seen enough of Meyer after he lost to Spurrier in 2005 that he wasn't the one.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:51 am to BasedGator
The only loss to an old coach that would kill me is if we somehow drop the USCe game and his players carry his arse around the Swamp.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 1:30 pm to montanagator
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:20 pm to finchmeister08
Good, that Ref should be suspended as should the Vol player-- do it Soccer or NBA style if a flop is caught the flopper takes the hit.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 2:51 pm to BasedGator
Meyer went 9-3. Beat 2 top 5 teams and 4 top 25 teams.
You guys wanna see what happens when hire bad recruiters and coaches?
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You guys wanna see what happens when hire bad recruiters and coaches?
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I had done a poor job and our assistant coaches did a poor job of recruiting,” Spurrier said, when addressing his departure from Carolina at mid-season of 2015.
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Spurrier also made mention toward the end of the interview that he did not “surround himself with the right personnel” toward the end of his career to make his “plan”, which had worked brilliantly throughout a Hall of Fame career work. That was perhaps the most telling comment of the interview.
During the rise of South Carolina, starting in 2010, the Gamecocks had a staff full of assistant coaches who were excellent recruiters and evaluators. One-by-one, they left the program for other opportunities. Recruiting coordinator Shane Beamer left after signing day 2011 to join his father’s staff at Virginia Tech. His duties were filled by wide receivers coach Steve Spurrier Jr. Running backs coach Jay Graham left following the 2011 season to accept a position at Tennessee, his alma mater (he left Tennessee shortly afterwards). He was replaced by Everett Sands. Defensive coordinator Ellis Johnson left to accept the head coaching job at Southern Mississippi (where he failed miserably before going to Auburn and failing miserably) and his job was filled on-staff by Lorenzo Ward, who in turn filled out his defensive staff with Kirk Botkin (high school) and Grady Brown (Southern Miss). South Carolina also lost its strength coach Craig Fitzgerald to Penn State during this time and Spurrier promoted from within to fill his position.
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all cases, these were coaching and recruiting downgrades and in many cases, coaching downgrades. As those assistants departed, he promoted one of the least successful recruiters on the staff to recruiting coordinator, promoted a first-time defensive coordinator that could not coach the entire defense and who subsequently made poor evaluation after poor evaluation in the secondary in recruiting, promoted an assistant strength coach to strength coach, hired a running backs coach (your running backs coach always should be a strong recruiter) who couldn't recruit (one in-state FCS coach was stunned when Sands was hired and told TBS off the record that he was not a strong recruiter) and who could not develop relationships with his players very well, hired a linebackers coach out of a Texas high school where he wasn't a coordinator, hired a secondary coach who had never coached anywhere bigger that Southern Miss. and hired two special teams coordinators who could not recruit. Then he hired a defensive line coach who was woefully inadequate in terms of player development and coaching the defensive line. It was a disaster waiting to happen.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:12 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I would definitely understand if we lost to Vandy, then I'd be a little worried but only after that. Gotta let him finish up the year, and then next year we'll assess how it really is.
Be worried... be very, very worried. This offense is so poor that our margin for error is very slim. That puts us in the cross hairs of an upset.
For all the folks asking how can I question a coach after just his first loss of the season? Well, looking back on last year, we had 10 games where we were in dog fights. 4 of them should have never been close. Did we improve as the season progressed? Nope, our players got worse. People are blaming Treon. Well who kept putting Treon and our horrible kicker back in the games? A good coach would have canned Treon with a quickness. This year, he's still struggling in game. His players are still making TOO many mistakes and getting too many penalties. This team lacks discipline. It is very apparent. Last year and this year.
When is the right time to let go? It's never the right time. Which is why you should never start the relationship in the first place if you are not totally sure. Foley made a big mistake with Zook and Muschamp. I think he's made an even bigger mistake with McElwain. Why the hell would he choose an unproven coach AGAIN??? WTH? This hire was supposed to be a slam dunk. You don't get a guy with only 3 years coaching experience to coach UF. Foley's infatuation with guys that have barely scratched the surface of success is dumbfounded. Harbough was a slam dunk hire. Bobby Petrino was a slam dunk hire for Louisville. Why are we hiring guys that are 50/50 at best?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:00 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
I know Foley messed up with Donovan...WTH was he thinking?
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