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Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:59 am
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:59 am
I've read all sorts of gator posts the last few days that are a bit ridiculous. I've never been a strong supporter of this coaching staff but the call to fire coaches is getting a bit ridiculous.
In 2007, in Urban year 3, UF gave up 42 to uga and 41 to Michigan en route to a 9-4 season. UF had a heisman qb and everything but still lost 4 games including laying an egg to auburn at home.
Spurrier had a number of big losses, including one to UT in 2001 that cost UF the east title. Others include the choke at doke, the 97 massacre by uga that cost uf the conference that year, dismantling by miss st etc. UF has never been very good, historically, playing on the road.
No coaching staff is perfect, especially on the road, and this team still has a lot of warts.
That being said, UF better win the next three, which is a tall order, because vandy at noon on the road is a trap, LSU is a dangerous cornered animal, and mizzou may pass for 500 yards on Da Bitch Unit
If UF isn't 6-1 at the bye the noise in the system will be quite loud. I think the coaches at the altar of sacrifice right now will be Nord and Summers this year if things turn ugly.
In 2007, in Urban year 3, UF gave up 42 to uga and 41 to Michigan en route to a 9-4 season. UF had a heisman qb and everything but still lost 4 games including laying an egg to auburn at home.
Spurrier had a number of big losses, including one to UT in 2001 that cost UF the east title. Others include the choke at doke, the 97 massacre by uga that cost uf the conference that year, dismantling by miss st etc. UF has never been very good, historically, playing on the road.
No coaching staff is perfect, especially on the road, and this team still has a lot of warts.
That being said, UF better win the next three, which is a tall order, because vandy at noon on the road is a trap, LSU is a dangerous cornered animal, and mizzou may pass for 500 yards on Da Bitch Unit
If UF isn't 6-1 at the bye the noise in the system will be quite loud. I think the coaches at the altar of sacrifice right now will be Nord and Summers this year if things turn ugly.
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:18 am to slayerxing
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Da Bitch Unit
not gonna lie. i laughed at that.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:25 am to slayerxing
This coaching staff will be fine. We are not at the level as a program to go out and win every game at this time but I think we are heading in the right direction.
I do put part of the blame for the loss on Saturday in their laps due to the play calling in the second half. The worst was the first 3rd and 1 of the 3rd quarter when we lined up in a shotgun and ran a play with the back getting the ball 6 yards behind the line of scrimmage. I was yelling at the TV to get the QB under center and run a QB sneak. This play, turned the momentum around and we never recovered.
I do put part of the blame for the loss on Saturday in their laps due to the play calling in the second half. The worst was the first 3rd and 1 of the 3rd quarter when we lined up in a shotgun and ran a play with the back getting the ball 6 yards behind the line of scrimmage. I was yelling at the TV to get the QB under center and run a QB sneak. This play, turned the momentum around and we never recovered.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:16 am to UFMatt
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We are not at the level as a program to go out and win every game at this time
Exactly, it's amazing how many people are losing their minds, especially on the the other site. Read the prediction thread and everyone said 9-3 was about where we should be and were still on track for that and maybe even 10-11 wins. Just 2 years ago we barely made it to a bowl game. And Mac and nuss will learn from yesterday I'm sure. And the players will need to learn how to mentally withstand huge momentum shifts. All part of building a winning team.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:26 pm to NeathOrangeandBlue
People are calling for Macs head. Bunch of dumbasses 
He inherited a straight up shitshow for an offense. The oline is basically sophomores and freshman as the 1st and 2nd string. Our TE's had no experience playing because we were throwing to goddamned DT's with the game on the line. Our QBs are basically 2 transfers and 2 true frosh and NFL scouts said our wide receivers ran worse routes then high schoolers.
Yeah the offense has looked sluggish but compared to what we had before this staff has turned shite into honey.
The recruiting concern is legitimate but this staff is behind the eightball because of the facilities issue. Ex players in the program say its a problem , its not some bs fan conspiracy any more.
He inherited a straight up shitshow for an offense. The oline is basically sophomores and freshman as the 1st and 2nd string. Our TE's had no experience playing because we were throwing to goddamned DT's with the game on the line. Our QBs are basically 2 transfers and 2 true frosh and NFL scouts said our wide receivers ran worse routes then high schoolers.
Yeah the offense has looked sluggish but compared to what we had before this staff has turned shite into honey.
The recruiting concern is legitimate but this staff is behind the eightball because of the facilities issue. Ex players in the program say its a problem , its not some bs fan conspiracy any more.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:36 pm to olemc999
I complained for years that our facilities sucked but all the sunshine pumper said it wasn'tan issue. We won the East last year but now it's more excuses about talent/cupboard bare. Look up how many coaches won titles in there 2nd year at programs in transition. Are we going to blame Champ like we did Meyer for another incompetent coaching staff?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 4:58 pm to slayerxing
After listening to today's pressers, I think Saturday was a turning point, though to what, I couldn't say. Apparently, the team was absolutely and totally gutted. Appleby said it felt more like they just lost a national championship than a regular season game. How they all respond Saturday will say a lot, I think.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:05 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Lyfe you are so adorable when mad but please read history books and you will find that AU was an away game in 2007 and as a long longtime Gator fan I can tell you that we suffered a lot at Shug Jordan Hare Stadium which used to be called Hare Stadium originally many yrs ago...Shug Jordan @ AU, Wally Butts @UGA, Bear Bryant @ Bama, Johnny Vaught @ Ole Miss, Charlie McClendon @ LSU Ray Graves @ UF were the old southern gentlemen of southern football of year yore. You had some really good coaches that outwitted you before you could blink an eye....but they looked life and football in a different light than todays world. Shame.
No one called for coaches heads back then unless it just was obvious that the program was sinking. Im proud to say I witness a lot of southern culture back then. But we have the kneejerk reactions so quickly after a loss its almost comical. Should we just fire every damn coach and their staff after any loss? Would that be enough for you? How the frick would you like to be fired at YOUR job? I dont think you would. I could just see all the coaches lined up to accept our job offer and we tell them that they are fired if they lose a game
We'd lucky to hire a FCS special teams coach after firing every coach if they lost a game.
Lyfe, you expect too much and can I dare ask you what the hell have you done for the school yourself? Want me to get you an audience with Foley and give him some feedback? Im sure he wants to know.
but please read history books and you will find that AU was an away game in 2007 and as a long longtime Gator fan I can tell you that we suffered a lot at Shug Jordan Hare Stadium which used to be called Hare Stadium originally many yrs ago...Shug Jordan @ AU, Wally Butts @UGA, Bear Bryant @ Bama, Johnny Vaught @ Ole Miss, Charlie McClendon @ LSU Ray Graves @ UF were the old southern gentlemen of southern football of year yore. You had some really good coaches that outwitted you before you could blink an eye....but they looked life and football in a different light than todays world. Shame. No one called for coaches heads back then unless it just was obvious that the program was sinking. Im proud to say I witness a lot of southern culture back then. But we have the kneejerk reactions so quickly after a loss its almost comical. Should we just fire every damn coach and their staff after any loss? Would that be enough for you? How the frick would you like to be fired at YOUR job? I dont think you would. I could just see all the coaches lined up to accept our job offer and we tell them that they are fired if they lose a game
We'd lucky to hire a FCS special teams coach after firing every coach if they lost a game. Lyfe, you expect too much and can I dare ask you what the hell have you done for the school yourself? Want me to get you an audience with Foley and give him some feedback? Im sure he wants to know.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:51 pm to olemc999
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Yeah the offense has looked sluggish but compared to what we had before this staff has turned shite into honey.
It's like people don't realize we went 4 - 8 and barely bowled the year after before Mac came here. The offense is way, way, way further along than I expected. The Oline is exactly what we knew it was, and Olines always take a while to get ready when the guy before you didn't recruit for shite at that position.
This is ludicrous.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:10 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
My bad Lyfe...2007 we were home and made a mediocre AU QB named Brandon Cox look like Dan Marino...how bad was AU? Well, they had just lost to a bad Moo State team and then lost to USF....everyone thought we would just show up and they'd roll over...wrong. But again, 2007 we lost almost the whole defense that Zook recruited for Meyer.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:43 pm to reel_gator8
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No one called for coaches heads back then unless it just was obvious that the program was sinking. Im proud to say I witness a lot of southern culture back then. But we have the kneejerk reactions so quickly after a loss its almost comical. Should we just fire every damn coach and their staff after any loss? Would that be enough for you? How the frick would you like to be fired at YOUR job? I dont think you would. I could just see all the coaches lined up to accept our job offer
Lyfe, you expect too much and can I dare ask you what the hell have you done for the school yourself? Want me to get you an audience with Foley and give him some feedback? Im sure he wants to know
If I don't perform, I would be let go in my own company. We don't give handouts and if you can't do your job, you have to go.
I've seen enough to know McElwain is not the one just like I knew Muschamp was not the one very early. We struggled with East Carolina, Kentucky, Lost to LSU on a fake Field Goal where my mom knew they were going to fake it and she's dead. We squeak by Vanderbilt, we go to overtime with Florida fukkin Atlantic. We then proceed to lose the next 3 games in a row where we were not even competitive. We got embarrassed 3 straight games. Our defense has been leaking ever since. We struggle with UMass for 3 quarters and turned Dobbs into a Heisman candidate where he put up record numbers.
I could see if we didn't have talent but we do. This is not a talent issue, it's a coaching issue. Why do we have to lead the nation in penalties and personal fouls every year? Why are we so undisciplined every year? Why would our coach allow players to provide bulletin board material? Why is the sky always blue with this guy when it's not? Why would he continue to play Treon and that God awful kicker, game after game after game?
I played 4 years at UF. I did my part. I have body parts all over Florida field. I have injuries today that were a direct result of football. UF hasn't paid a dime of my medical fees. I haven't asked them. I graduated and went on to successful businesses. UF doesn't owe me anything. I knew Foley before he was AD. My sister has his number on speed dial. My criticism of Foley is well documented. Muschamp and McElwain were both not experienced enough for this job. Can McElwain learn on the job? Maybe, but UF should never be a teaching ground for coaches. There are enough proven coaches out there that we should not have to take chances.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:59 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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I've seen enough to know McElwain is not the one just like I knew Muschamp was not the one very early.
Bro, this is just crazy talk. It's almost not worth entertaining. He comes into a school that literally had one quarterback, winning the East is pretty fricking hard. The team was no where near the same without Grier, who seemed to be able to make plays happen.
Mac gets a free ride this year, and it's because we haven't had any recruitment on offense. The defense runs itself, but the offense has always been a problem ever since Meyer gave up.
He comes in, wins the East the first year with an entirely new team -- no kicker, no QB after QB #1, one veteran running back and literally a bunch of no name receivers.
Seriously, how in the frick have you seen anything in week four? We could win out the rest of the year, or we could lose a few more games -- our schedule is fricking hard and considering we were barely bowling before Mac came in, he's done pretty well.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:41 am to reel_gator8
No one should compare this team to 07 or 2001. That 07 team was loaded with freshman and lost close games against 5 top 25 teams. They got beat because they were young but the offense was great. What did Meyer do in between 07? He won 2 NCs with 2 different QBs. His recruiting was insane. CFB today is worth billions where the wrong hire cost millions. I don't see teams like Wisconsin complaining about starting freshman/Sophmores on their OL. Nope they just blew the doors off MSU and beat LSU. Great coaches need great players and vice versa. There is no reason why a JR/SR defense should ever give 400 yards and 35 points in a half to an offense in bottom of the confere or why a HC should be nervous up 21-3 at the half.
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Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:43 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
He needs a decade imo before we no if he can coach here.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 8:09 am to TJGator1215
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There is no reason why a JR/SR defense should ever give 400 yards and 35 points in a half to an offense in bottom of the confere or why a HC should be nervous up 21-3 at the half.
This is spot on. The mental toughness of the team is a big concern of mine. No way a team with that many skilled, veteran upperclassmen should just lie down and take it like that.
I am worried that is a reflection of the coaching staff - but we will know over the course of the next 3 weeks based on how the team responds to this new adversity.
I've said it a few different places - given the nature of the competition in front of us, and that 2 of the games are at home, if this is the right coaching staff for UF they will be 6-1 at the bye.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 11:52 am to slayerxing
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I've said it a few different places - given the nature of the competition in front of us, and that 2 of the games are at home, if this is the right coaching staff for UF they will be 6-1 at the bye.
I'm praying I'm wrong and we go on to kick arse the rest of the way. No one wants to fire a coach. But "what needs to be done eventually, must be done immediately. Coach Mc didn't have a long illustrious coaching career, just like Zook and Muschamp didn't. We need proven leadership not someone learning on the job. The HC at UF is one of the most difficult jobs in football. There's only a few people in my mind up to the task.
In addition to Mc's poor in game coaching, my biggest concern is recruiting. I ask again, would you rather follow him over other coaches? I do not know the man and i may be totally off base but His personality seems so low energy. He comes across aloof, very country, Gome Pyle type. Recruits see that, feel that. I'd put him behind most SEC coaches if they were in my living room. maybe ahead of Stoops or Odom, possibly Mason but dang...
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:32 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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I'm praying I'm wrong and we go on to kick arse the rest of the way. No one wants to fire a coach. But "what needs to be done eventually, must be done immediately. Coach Mc didn't have a long illustrious coaching career, just like Zook and Muschamp didn't. We need proven leadership not someone learning on the job. The HC at UF is one of the most difficult jobs in football. There's only a few people in my mind up to the task.
In addition to Mc's poor in game coaching, my biggest concern is recruiting. I ask again, would you rather follow him over other coaches? I do not know the man and i may be totally off base but His personality seems so low energy. He comes across aloof, very country, Gome Pyle type. Recruits see that, feel that. I'd put him behind most SEC coaches if they were in my living room. maybe ahead of Stoops or Odom, possibly Mason but dang...
He's only coached 18 games at Florida, and you already want to fire him? Holy shite.
Last 4 coaches through their first 18 games:
Spurrier - 15-3
Meyer - 15-3
McElwain - 13-5
Muschamp - 12-6
Zook - 11-7
I think it's a bit early to discuss firing him.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 1:47 pm to slayerxing
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I think it's a bit early to discuss firing him.
It's amazing that they know everything there is about a coach who has only one full recruiting cycle.
He isn't even half-way through his second year after winning the East with one loss on the road in a fricking hostile environment.
What on Earth is going on with our fanbase?
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
He's had 3 classes and has 40+ 3* commits in his tenure. Teams full of 3*S don't win titles. We have 2 3*s at DT, LB and only 1 OL commit. A 3*. There is zero Buzz recruiting wise around the program. If Mac wants to stay past next year he needs to fire Nusschamp,Summers, Nord, Collins and Shannon. They all average to below average coaches and recruiters. His in-game coaching is mediocre and he doesn't have a feel for in game situations. There is no reason in the world why the team especially the defense was complacent against a rival.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 2:57 pm to TJGator1215
It's too early for this panicked talk - take a deep breath and enjoy football and we can revisit at the bye week.
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