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Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:49 pm to
Posted by AlbinoGator
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:49 pm to
I don't think Napier is a bad coach now im not taking up for him i think like Mac this job may be to big for him.He has had some unfortunate things happen at UF. Mullen left him nothing to begin with. Because Mullen basically stopped recruiting because i think he knew he was gone. NAPIER made some mistakes with coaches like Hocke. I said it from the beginning that if he had held on to Savage this program from a strength and conditioning standpoint would be fine.
Also not hiring a Special Teams coach is just terrible. The Special teams has been atrocious under Billy and probably will not get better.

Definitely need a OC that he will let run his offense and Billy needs to be the CEO!!!and run the program not be OC and forget about Special teams and S&C.

Will any of this Happen i doubt it. I think at this point and time Napier dead set on doing it his way no matter the consequences because he knows if he gets fired he still get paid alot of money.we Need Marion As OC i hope tjis happens but I have 0 confidence this takes place.

I can almost guarantee everyone that no matter UF record in 2024 Napier get another year.
Posted by Gator Fever
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:18 pm to
An-in-depth-look-at-florida-football-from-a-player-perspective

That looks bad on the strength program saying it was like track team workouts in the offseason and Princely has caught the "if that makes sense" ending to his answers just like Napier.
Posted by Gator Fever
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:20 pm to
I could definitely see Bama replacing a retiring Saban with Kiffin.
Posted by dbuchanon
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:04 pm to
Ole Miss star running back Quinshon Judkins has informed the Rebels staff that he plans to enter the transfer portal, sources tell @247sports.

This year, he became the first SEC player since Herschel Walker with 15+ touchdowns in each of his first two college seasons.
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CFB is dead. Player set records on a winning team who will challenge for a playoff spot next season.. Leaving for another bag.
Fk these kids

We're gonna see a lot of good CFB coaches going to the pros so they wont have to deal with this shite.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 7:05 pm
Posted by Gator Fever
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:16 pm to
It is out of control that is for sure.
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:51 pm to
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That looks bad on the strength program saying it was like track team workouts in the offseason and Princely has caught the "if that makes sense" ending to his answers just like Napier.
oreciate u Sharing this bro so don’t take the wrong way when I say Thecaw could’ve told u this 3 years ago before Hocke was hired that he sucked at strength and conditioning

Look at that flabby pussy and tell me who is he gon get into sec shape?

NO ONE!!!!

respect to u and princely for sharing this but this is old info 3-4 years after the fact
Posted by dbuchanon
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:17 pm to
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Thecaw could’ve told u this 3 years ago before Hocke was hired that he sucked at strength and conditioning


Based on what, Conference Championship, 2 losses in 2 seasons and 2 Bowl wins their last 2 seasons at UL with numerous players leaving that team for teams like UF / LSU?
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:19 pm to
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Based on what
he got fired from Georgia and Texas A&M after 1 season each

Found some sun belt success but as we see that means little in the sec
Posted by dbuchanon
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:24 pm to
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Found some sun belt success but as we see that means little in the sec




lmao. No fkn difference

You mean a team with players taking Gators off their social media everytime they hit some adversity didnt stick to a strength regimen ?? I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 8:28 pm
Posted by Gator Fever
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:26 pm to
Yep you can't argue with their success but I think people are probably right when they said it was just Napier out recruiting those other sunbelt schools for the most part. Don't know much about the S&C coach but we looked like we had issues with that on the field or maybe the teams we lost to just recruited stronger players.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 8:27 pm
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:30 pm to
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Princely has caught the "if that makes sense" ending to his answers just like Napier.

Thecaw is reading it now and this jumped out to me when princely said what Napier is good at as a coach
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One thing with Napier, he’ll acknowledge every player every time he sees them. Ask them what’s up or how’s their day.

That reminds me of what I read about Stricklin being interested in hiring Napier because he saw a video of him being polite to a secretary in the hallway and holding the door open for her

That’s great that he’s a nice camp counselor but we need a savage with balls as a coach

But the uaa keeps trotting out nice guy yes men like Mike white and billy Napier and we wonder why we suck
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:31 pm to
Im saying we had several players on the team gained 10 plus pounds of muscle over the offseason. Sooner or later you gotta question the commitment/fortitude of the other players. I can run you into the fkn ground for 7 hours a day, dont mean much if for the other 17 hours in the day you sit on your arse, playng playstation and eating icecream.

As far as on field issues, getting gassed is one thing, getting mauled by better talent is another.
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:32 pm to
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lmao. No fkn difference

Princely say otherwise

there are differences between how you train by what conference you are in. So like, whenever we trained in the offseason under Savage, we were working out to be as strong as we could be. You’re going against 300-pounders trying to run the ball down your throat. You better be rocked up. The SEC is ‘bully’ football if that makes sense. You better be able to go heads up with that or you’re going to get bullied. With them [the new staff] coming from Louisana Lafayette, I’m not trying to put anyone down, I don’t know, it felt like we were training to be in the Pac12 instead of the SEC. ”
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:34 pm to
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But the uaa keeps trotting out nice guy yes men like Mike white and billy Napier and we wonder why we suck




What TF does being a gentleman have to do with coaching football? You think Saban walks into the admin bldg and starts slappin bitches?
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:36 pm to
I already said Billy wasnt my first choice, but be logical about the complaining. ffs

He has no control over the money in recruiting, and apparently cant shape the staff how he wants due to buyouts.
Coaches run in packs, they stick to ppl they know. You rarely gonna see a guy hire someone he has no ties to or someone he knows didnt vouch for. Its literally all about who you know
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 8:47 pm
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:41 pm to
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felt like we were training to be in the Pac12 instead of the SEC. ”



LOL, so if we hire Washington's S&C guy, we gotta take him aside and say hey, coach, this is the SEC so you know, gotta make some changes in your conditioning approach.

lol, are ya'll serious with this shite?

Princely said we were training to be a track team? Wasnt he the guy we saw jogging in games last yr?
Apparently he needs to run more imo
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 8:43 pm
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:22 pm to
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You think Saban walks into the admin bldg and starts slappin bitches?

As a matter of fact, yes, I do.



Posted by dbuchanon
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:28 pm to
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:36 pm to
quote:

I already said Billy wasnt my first choice, but be logical about the complaining. ffs

He has no control over the money in recruiting, and apparently cant shape the staff how he wants due to buyouts.
Coaches run in packs, they stick to ppl they know. You rarely gonna see a guy hire someone he has no ties to or someone he knows didnt vouch for. Its literally all about who you know


I do agree with this, I was kind of luke warm and cautiously optimistic about Napier as a hire (I personally was on the Lane Train, felt like someone who could inject "energy" and excitement into the fan base...felt like Lane had more ability to do that than Napier).

Didn't hate the Napier hire either, and expected the first year or two to look rough considering how Mullen spun out and stopped recruiting.

Napier has made a lot of mistakes, and I personally think the job is too big for him. However, I also think he's getting blamed for a lot of things that aren't really his fault or out of his control (things you mentioned).

Ultimately, it might not be "fair" but as the head guy, he'll bear the brunt of the results that he produces. There are definitely things that he's done, which have really led me to think that it would be beneficial for both parties to move on, that are the result of the decisions he made (a lot of the special teams gaffes, player management during the games, etc.).

Primarily, I think he made a major mistake being the OC/playcaller while trying to adapt to the SEC as a HC. I am not a huge fan of his offense, but I don't hate it either. It can be effective, and the run game is pretty strong and fun to watch at times. Pearsall was a nice addition, and Wilson has potential. If we could get an o-line to give Mertz/Lagway time to hit deeper routes, it would be nice to see a vertical passing threat develop. But our o-line as is doesn't permit that.

That said, I don't think Napier's play calling, nor the amount of time he's spending on being the OC, is really good enough to detract from the time he's spending, before and during, the game focusing on his big picture duties as the HC.

I'd love Marion, or even Korn, but at this point I'd be cool with Calloway getting full time playcalling/OC duties (granted that he's actually being given those duties and isn't being used by Napier to pretend like he's delegating while still micromanaging the offense behind the scenes).

I truly believe Napier could at least have the chance at being a halfway decent HC if he delegated play calling and focused on HC tasks. But if he doesn't, it'll be more of the same, and maybe even regression.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:38 pm to
I will add Napier did surprise and do a pretty good job coaching Mertz up, so that should be given to his credit.
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