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Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:22 pm to atlgator
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:22 pm to atlgator
I'm not arguing against his on the field results. I think he has 6 really good wins through two years. Tennessee, UGA, and Ole Miss in year 1 and UGA, LSU, and Iowa in year 2.
Those are good wins in years where we are supposed to be rebuilding. But we're not supposed to be rebuilding after year 3. This is the time we're supposed to starting to establish a program on solid footing. This is the time where our recruiting is supposed to be steadying and we're bringing in talent. As it stands, this class is going to set us back a year or two. We have to salvage this class (which again, I think this class closes pretty decently and we finish around 12th), but going forward, we have got to be better on the trail. There's no way around it.
Those are good wins in years where we are supposed to be rebuilding. But we're not supposed to be rebuilding after year 3. This is the time we're supposed to starting to establish a program on solid footing. This is the time where our recruiting is supposed to be steadying and we're bringing in talent. As it stands, this class is going to set us back a year or two. We have to salvage this class (which again, I think this class closes pretty decently and we finish around 12th), but going forward, we have got to be better on the trail. There's no way around it.
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:24 pm to atlgator
We lost to an FCS and we're a punching bag for a few years, it's gonna take some time to get back into the recruiting game.
Muschamp brought in top talent and it translated to almost not bowling two years in a row.
People are just now starting to understand how bad the last few years were, something you and I have been saying since McElwain got here.
It's not just leaving the positions underrecruited, it's that he was so absolutely horrible at coaching the team in general.
Muschamp brought in top talent and it translated to almost not bowling two years in a row.
People are just now starting to understand how bad the last few years were, something you and I have been saying since McElwain got here.
It's not just leaving the positions underrecruited, it's that he was so absolutely horrible at coaching the team in general.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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We lost to an FCS and we're a punching bag for a few years, it's gonna take some time to get back into the recruiting game.
Muschamp brought in top talent and it translated to almost not bowling two years in a row.
People are just now starting to understand how bad the last few years were, something you and I have been saying since McElwain got here.
It's not just leaving the positions underrecruited, it's that he was so absolutely horrible at coaching the team in general.
Absolutely straws, Muschamp decimated our offensive talent. Mac has done a good job of getting the talent on that side of the ball back closer to where it needs to be. But we cannot lower our standards recruiting now. We're the University of Florida. We shouldn't be waiting until signing day to find out if half of our targets are going to commit to us. It's just frustrating, and I know you think it is too. Mac is doing a good job for us on the field, now it's time for him to get his shite together on the trail. This class is his responsibility and if it doesn't get turned around and we're "rebuilding" two years from now, then we will point back to this class and say "this was the beginning of the end for our coach"
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:42 pm to atlgator
Any NSD booms you guys are expecting?
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:46 pm to atlgator
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It is embarrassing, but saying we're losing recruits to FAU and USF is just fricking stupid. It's piling onto the issue with a statement with no merit and it makes you look and sound like a fricking dumbass.
You are easily triggered. I never said we are currently losing recruits to Fau and usf. I said we will have a lot of competition landing 3 stars. How is this a stupid statement? We're currently ranked 11th in the sec, behind Kentucky, miss st, South Carolina.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 7:08 pm to reel_gator8
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you dont know shite pal.
Except I proved your argument wrong about NFL talent and Clemson's recruiting. You should really go outside more.
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I dont appreciate you belittling their effort and our coaches for that matter
You mean me and about the other 75% of our fan base saying the exact same things. Our coaching in games has been hit and miss that is a fact. Our recruiting is below standards that is a fact. Can you honestly say it hasnt. Criticism of coaching isn't belittling them and I never belittled the players I said LSU did us some favors in that game on key plays.Yes we made plays and the team played hard no doubt but we caught a break a couple times in that game did we or didn't we. Don't put words in my mouth and watch out don't get a nose bleed on your high horse pal you are sounding like a Tennessee fan. I'm trying to have a discussion you go 0-60 in no time but I forgot no one knows even a sliver of what you do. Drink a beer swallow a Vicodin there fixed.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 1/26/17 at 7:16 pm to gatorbait_007
Lemons got good news about his exam score may qualify if everything else lines up.
Green canceled his OV to Tennessee.
Other news: there is word that recruits (some that were committed to us at the time) were negatively recruiting against us at the UAA game.
Green canceled his OV to Tennessee.
Other news: there is word that recruits (some that were committed to us at the time) were negatively recruiting against us at the UAA game.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 7:35 pm to gatorbait_007
I can honestly say that we're better off where we are now than where we were and that's a big, fat period.
It's gonna take some time to get recruiting back to where it was, and I have no idea why you guys think we should be sniffing anywhere near the top 10 when we haven't been ranked that high for I don't know how many years.
We're simply not the same Florida we were, but with a few more good seasons we may start rising back up. McElwain is doing what he can, with what he has.
It's gonna take some time to get recruiting back to where it was, and I have no idea why you guys think we should be sniffing anywhere near the top 10 when we haven't been ranked that high for I don't know how many years.
We're simply not the same Florida we were, but with a few more good seasons we may start rising back up. McElwain is doing what he can, with what he has.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 7:54 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It's gonna take some time to get recruiting back to where it was, and I have no idea why you guys think we should be sniffing anywhere near the top 10 when we haven't been ranked that high for I don't know how many years.
Per 247 our 2012 class was 5th, 2013 class we were 3rd, 2014 we were 4th, 2015 22nd, 2016 14th 2017 we will see. I'm not asking for top 10 class heck 15th would be nice.
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We're simply not the same Florida we were, but with a few more good seasons we may start rising back up. McElwain is doing what he can, with what he has.
I get what you're saying but it sounds an awful like complacency and I'm sure you didn't intend that or mean it that way. A few more good seasons and we may start rising up doesnt work for me. I'm a fan just like you but I'm just not seeing it currently but I hope you are right.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 8:53 pm to gatorbait_007
07 I apologize...seriously. You have a right to opinions and so do I but you havent really called me out or bashed me. But I bleed O&B AND I have been on other sites getting my dander up...what you posted or others is freaking mild compared to another board.
Here is what Im trying to get across...ITS NOT NSD yet. The posters on boards are just having kneejerk reactions and they may be in for a big surprise...or not. You and I & Atl or Slayer dont know what NSD will bring...do we? Why curse everything now?
BTW on GC insider Andrew did post something interesting about Blades...he was getting a ton of tweets and also saw our fans tweeting about how Mac/coaches sucked...so give that a moment to sink in
I personally think NSD will come and the damn restless will see they didnt have faith....or not. Again I apologize for what I posted...just take a short walk on a long pier
Here is what Im trying to get across...ITS NOT NSD yet. The posters on boards are just having kneejerk reactions and they may be in for a big surprise...or not. You and I & Atl or Slayer dont know what NSD will bring...do we? Why curse everything now?
BTW on GC insider Andrew did post something interesting about Blades...he was getting a ton of tweets and also saw our fans tweeting about how Mac/coaches sucked...so give that a moment to sink in
I personally think NSD will come and the damn restless will see they didnt have faith....or not. Again I apologize for what I posted...just take a short walk on a long pier
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:43 pm to gatorbait_007
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Per 247 our 2012 class was 5th, 2013 class we were 3rd, 2014 we were 4th, 2015 22nd, 2016 14th 2017 we will see. I'm not asking for top 10 class heck 15th would be nice.
So he came in and took us to 22nd when it was 100+, last year he had 14th (what you were asking for) and this year we still have a few signees and I'm sure we'll be top 15.
Over the past two years, McElwain has had nine players named to Freshman All-SEC teams. Wide receiver Antonio Callaway, linebacker David Reese and offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor also made the Freshman All-American teams by FWAA and Pro Football Focus, more than former coach Will Muschamp had during his four years at UF.
As I was saying, dude is doing more with less, and when he has more talent, he'll be a monster coach.
It's just a shame he has to rebuild the program from the ground up.
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/jim-mcelwain-florida-gators-football-recruiting-signees
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:25 am to gatorbait_007
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Other news: there is word that recruits (some that were committed to us at the time) were negatively recruiting against us at the UAA game.
Who? I love the vague insider BS that gets "telephone game" treatment.
It is not like UF had a ton of commits at the UAA game.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:46 am to BloodSweat&Beers
We didn't have any, except Daquan Green, who has been solid and loyal the whole time.
This is more bs. Just close strong. Get some commits this weekend and try to muster up some momentum and optimism headed into NSD
This is more bs. Just close strong. Get some commits this weekend and try to muster up some momentum and optimism headed into NSD
Posted on 1/27/17 at 9:03 am to atlgator
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We didn't have any, except Daquan Green, who has been solid and loyal the whole time.
This is more bs. Just close strong. Get some commits this weekend and try to muster up some momentum and optimism headed into NSD
There is a bunch of BS out there this cycle. Between the fake news and "insiders" saying something one day (Zach A saying Herbert and Henderson were likely Gators) and then changing completely the next day (Crystal ball to Miami)
Edit: No one on the Gators websites know shite right now.
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/27/17 at 9:17 am to BloodSweat&Beers
I think it's to the point where half these kids enjoy the peek-a-boo game so much that they don't even have an idea of where they're going until the last week. They get so immersed in the "insiders" talking that they forget they probably should pick a school.
By the way I like Scarlett throwing some shade at the decommitts. Kid loves being a Gator!
By the way I like Scarlett throwing some shade at the decommitts. Kid loves being a Gator!
Posted on 1/27/17 at 9:23 am to BloodSweat&Beers
#alternativefacts
Posted on 1/27/17 at 11:32 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It's gonna take some time to get recruiting back to where it was, and I have no idea why you guys think we should be sniffing anywhere near the top 10 when we haven't been ranked that high for I don't know how many years.
So wait if this is the case explain the facts that Boom could go 4-8 and land a top 10 class or that Kirby is going to land a top 3 class after going 7-6?
If Mac was replaced at the end of 2017 with an elite recruiter I'm willing to be that guy's second class is top 10 and his third is top 5-10.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 11:33 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I was happy with last year's class we filled needs and it was his first full year just seems we have taken a step back.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 11:34 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Over the past two years, McElwain has had nine players named to Freshman All-SEC teams. Wide receiver Antonio Callaway, linebacker David Reese and offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor also made the Freshman All-American teams by FWAA and Pro Football Focus, more than former coach Will Muschamp had during his four years at UF.
Because he plays more Freshman than most coaches- tell me how many of 2015s Freshman AA or All-SEC guys were actual AA or All-conference players the next year?
Posted on 1/27/17 at 12:02 pm to montanagator
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So wait if this is the case explain the facts that Boom could go 4-8 and land a top 10 class or that Kirby is going to land a top 3 class after going 7-6?
If Mac was replaced at the end of 2017 with an elite recruiter I'm willing to be that guy's second class is top 10 and his third is top 5-10.
So you prefer coaches who signed high but couldn't do shite on the field than a coach who signs top 20 but finishes ranked?
frick you guys are delusional on here these days.
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