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re: **2017 Football Recruiting Thread**
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Straws when you gonna stop blaming Muschamp. All i said is if we didn't have Quincy no Marco we need DBs it would not be ideal. How is that talent gap helping us against FSU and Bama. I guess it doesn't matter we got beat by Tennessee and Arkansas curb stomped us. We recruited better than them so must be better coaching.
Yeahhhh we completed a 99 yard pass to Cleveland their DB missed a tackle and their RB went the wrong way on the final play. We got lucky vs LSU.
Recruits pay attention to rankings just as much as fans FYI. I'm sure all the available talent is chomping at the bit to get on the team one spot ahead of Colorado. Do you think the kids in Florida watching us vs FSU the last 2 years are in awe of how we played.
Yeahhhh we completed a 99 yard pass to Cleveland their DB missed a tackle and their RB went the wrong way on the final play. We got lucky vs LSU.
Recruits pay attention to rankings just as much as fans FYI. I'm sure all the available talent is chomping at the bit to get on the team one spot ahead of Colorado. Do you think the kids in Florida watching us vs FSU the last 2 years are in awe of how we played.
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:03 am to gatorbait_007
There's no way to slice this. It's embarrassing and it's sickening. Mac has got to make some changes.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:34 am to gatorbait_007
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Yeahhhh we completed a 99 yard pass to Cleveland their DB missed a tackle and their RB went the wrong way on the final play. We got lucky vs LSU.
Yeeeeaaahhh they still outrecruited us at every facet if the game and it didn't help them. You could also say: We made a good play that they were unprepared for, we stood them up twice on the one yard line, forced them too kick a field goal earlier in the game.
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Do you think the kids in Florida watching us vs FSU the last 2 years are in awe of how we played.
Do you think the kids in Florida watched the last six years of unproductive bullshite?
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Straws when you gonna stop blaming Muschamp.
When are you going to accept that we're just not the same program after he left? This isn't a two-year fix. This is a long-haul fix, and I'm sorry you were so myopic that you thought we'd be back to championships before long with six scholarship offensive linemen, no kicker and no quarterback.
Come back to reality, please.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:51 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Yeahhhh we completed a 99 yard pass to Cleveland their DB missed a tackle and their RB went the wrong way on the final play. We got lucky vs LSU.
Yeeeeaaahhh they still outrecruited us at every facet if the game and it didn't help them. You could also say: We made a good play that they were unprepared for, we stood them up twice on the one yard line, forced them too kick a field goal earlier in the game.
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Do you think the kids in Florida watching us vs FSU the last 2 years are in awe of how we played.
Do you think the kids in Florida watched the last six years of unproductive bullshite?
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Straws when you gonna stop blaming Muschamp.
When are you going to accept that we're just not the same program after he left? This isn't a two-year fix. This is a long-haul fix, and I'm sorry you were so myopic that you thought we'd be back to championships before long with six scholarship offensive linemen, no kicker and no quarterback.
Come back to reality, please.
I agree with all of this straws. But we're not helping ourselves out. Having 14 commits this close to signing day isn't how we build our roster back up. I'm sure we close with some pretty good ball players. But Mac has got to make some giant changes on this staff and hit home run hires on all 2-3 of his hires. We cannot have another class that barely has almost half of our targets announcing on NSD. That's how you get burned.
I'm done paying attention to this class until signing day. I'm sure we'll close strong, finish 12th or 13th, and change perception a little, but I'm extremely disappointed and frustrated with where we are recruiting wise. Especially considering how good of recruiters Gray, Rumph, and Skipper are.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 7:00 am to atlgator
Man, I know this isn't where we want to be, but we were literally headed to the Dark Ages if we hadn't had McElwain. Very few coaches can take a team with no kicker, quarterback or offensive line and win 10 games.
We lost twice in the SEC CG to eventual Champion and Runner-up, it's gonna happen until we have more consistent on-field play.
As I said: Wins on the field will translate, but I don't blame recruits for wanting to see more. We also have two more CB prospects (we're leading on one 4 star), so I'm not too upset.
All's I'm saying is: From where we were, and where we are, I like where we are. Just that people need to temper the frick out of their expectations.
We lost twice in the SEC CG to eventual Champion and Runner-up, it's gonna happen until we have more consistent on-field play.
As I said: Wins on the field will translate, but I don't blame recruits for wanting to see more. We also have two more CB prospects (we're leading on one 4 star), so I'm not too upset.
All's I'm saying is: From where we were, and where we are, I like where we are. Just that people need to temper the frick out of their expectations.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 7:53 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Does your last six years of bull include Macs first two years? I am not expecting national titles in his third year but I did expect to not have to fill half our signing class two years in a row on national Signing Day. I'm not going to lower my expectation of having at least a top-15 recruiting class every year in possibly the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. It is on the coaches that we can win back-to-back 10 games and still have trouble filling out our class. It is on the head coach and the athletic director for having two staff positions still not filled. You realize how big of a joke Florida recruiting is right now to National media the same media that these recruits are talking to and watching. On the SEC network the other day they were breaking down recruiting and went on a 10-minute rant wondering why we can't recruit. I am not saying fire McElwain but he needs to improve in this area.
We had a quarterback but we let him walk for Luke noodle arm Rio. McElwain said himself our o-line isn't an excuse. Our kicking sucked but Austin made the game winning field goal against Vandy.
We can say we made a good play against LSU but we used the same excuse when Hargreaves got burnt by Tennessee and Michigan. The goal-line stand was awesome but we got helped out by the running back going the wrong way sort of makes it harder when you run away from the blocking scheme.
We had a quarterback but we let him walk for Luke noodle arm Rio. McElwain said himself our o-line isn't an excuse. Our kicking sucked but Austin made the game winning field goal against Vandy.
We can say we made a good play against LSU but we used the same excuse when Hargreaves got burnt by Tennessee and Michigan. The goal-line stand was awesome but we got helped out by the running back going the wrong way sort of makes it harder when you run away from the blocking scheme.
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 9:04 am to gatorbait_007
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Does your last six years of bull include Macs first two years?
Yes.
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I am not expecting national titles in his third year but I did expect to not have to fill half our signing class two years in a row on national Signing Day
Why? Why do you think our signing class is going to be good? Why do you think it deserves to be good at this point? He has to rebuild the offense, start winning big games other than LSU and Ole Miss and then the recruits will come.
I have no idea why you think kids are just going to come to Florida with no reason outside of ''it's Florida''.
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I'm not going to lower my expectation of having at least a top-15 recruiting class every year in possibly the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. It is on the coaches that we can win back-to-back 10 games and still have trouble filling out our class.
It's gonna happen his first or second year, there's no doubt about it. It's not going to be easy, and anyone who thought it would, again, solely because we're Florida just don't understand where we were.
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You realize how big of a joke Florida recruiting is right now to National media the same media that these recruits are talking to and watching. On the SEC network the other day they were breaking down recruiting and went on a 10-minute rant wondering why we can't recruit. I am not saying fire McElwain but he needs to improve in this area.
Well aware, but it's not like having 3* recruits haven't shown up at both offense and defense.
It's not like he didn't get the best kicker in the country.
It's not like he didn't sign a shite ton of offensive lineman.
He's doing what he can, with what he can. It's not sunshine pumping, it's being realistic. We were losing to FCS a few years ago, barely bowling, and now we're on the rebound.
NSD could go a lot better than expected, but it could also be worse. He's shown he can coach up a game and blow one, but without a quarterback we won't know what he's got.
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We had a quarterback but we let him walk for Luke noodle arm Rio. McElwain said himself our o-line isn't an excuse. Our kicking sucked but Austin made the game winning field goal against Vandy.
If you're suggesting we let Grier stay to win football, we have a conflict in ethics. He was also a terrible liability. If he got popped again, we probably wouldn't even have backups when he got popped and we'd be in the exact same position as we're in right now.
He made the right decision on Grier.
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We can say we made a good play against LSU but we used the same excuse when Hargreaves got burnt by Tennessee and Michigan. The goal-line stand was awesome but we got helped out by the running back going the wrong way sort of makes it harder when you run away from the blocking scheme.
I'm glad he ran the wrong way twice and got stopped three times fully.
Let's all chill out and relax, we had a great year and capped it off with a dominating, crushing win against a team that beat Michigan. If we have another good year and if Franks or Trask actually have ANY skill at quarterback we'll be just fine.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 9:13 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/elijah-blades-decommitment-florida-gators-players
Elijah Blades wanted to ''stay home'', was his reasoning. Like I said, it's probably because we're gonna get Stewart.
Elijah Blades wanted to ''stay home'', was his reasoning. Like I said, it's probably because we're gonna get Stewart.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:04 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
This is just fricking shitty recruiting.
There isn't much else to say.
1 week to go. Our optimistic projections are falling apart around us.
There isn't much else to say.
1 week to go. Our optimistic projections are falling apart around us.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:08 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Yeeeeaaahhh they still outrecruited us at every facet if the game and it didn't help them. You could also say: We made a good play that they were unprepared for, we stood them up twice on the one yard line, forced them too kick a field goal earlier in the game.
Do you think outrecruiting us helped FSU and Bama?
Because under Mac's "leadership" we've essentially become a game elite teams can use as a tune up before the games that actually worry them.
But hey I'm sure with enough 3 stars and time Mac could actually manage to score a TD against FSU before he gets fired.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:09 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Elijah Blades wanted to ''stay home'', was his reasoning. Like I said, it's probably because we're gonna get Stewart.
This is amazing rationalization- DB isn't RB or QB- more than one elite DB can play at once just look at, well the Florida secondary the last 5 years or so-- the vast majority of the time we've had multiple first round talents at the same time.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:12 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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As I said: Wins on the field will translate, but I don't blame recruits for wanting to see more. We also have two more CB prospects (we're leading on one 4 star), so I'm not too upset.
Really? We've won the East back-to-back and it sure doesn't seem to translate to anything. Meanwhile Georgia went 7-6 and is going to bring in a top 3-5 class.
Hell, its sad but maybe last year was Mac's "bump class", maybe 12th is his ceiling without a National title.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:32 am to montanagator
This is embarrassing. With Strong at USF and Kiffin at FAU, our staff is going to have a lot of competition landing 3 stars.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:51 am to gatorsimz
For the past couple years we continue to lower the bar on what we consider a "top recruit".... and we continue to whiff at those recruits
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:29 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:49 am to gatorsimz
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This is embarrassing. With Strong at USF and Kiffin at FAU, our staff is going to have a lot of competition landing 3 stars.
It is embarrassing, but saying we're losing recruits to FAU and USF is just fricking stupid. It's piling onto the issue with a statement with no merit and it makes you look and sound like a fricking dumbass.
The on the field success is on schedule. 10 wins in each of his first two years, but there's a certain point in the tenure where the team is supposed to get over the hump talentwise and be on equal footing with everybody else, and that is when having a superior coach (like I feel Mac is) truly helps us. This class will still finish with talented players in it, but only signing 23 talented guys and a couple of projects is not good. That's where we fall further behind. It doesn't have to do with class rankings, and it doesn't have to do with guys who are underrated and have been evaluated and the staff sees a big upside. It has to do with when we are sending out emergency offers to Houston commits and begging guys who weren't initially takes to join the class that we have a problem. Again, I think we still close strong with a lot of talented guys in this class and it finishes around 12th.
I like it when we take 3 stars commitments in the summer before their senior season starts because we truly want them from the beginning and see their potential. I don't like it when we send out emergency offers to guys that we haven't evaluated just so we can fill a class. That's a recruiting problem. And it better get fixed whether it takes Mac to stop playing the nice guy and high character routine or hit some slam dunk home run elite hires, or if it takes the administration doing their fricking jobs and getting contracts to assistants before Saban swoops in and steals them back at the last second, but it needs to get fixed. And I think Mac is smart enough to understand that. And he better be, because if the on the field results drop off even a little bit, as unfair as it is, Mac may not be able to survive the noise in the system after 2018. He has got to fix the recruiting. Period.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 1:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Really it includes Macs first two years. but... but... we won 10 games and we won the east. Your are right our poor offense and great defense is keeping CB's from signing.
Why? because we are a power five school in the SEC in Florida. We pay our coaches good salaries to recruit. We have tradition. We have great academics. What we don't have is good recruiters. Has that crossed your mind that it has nothing to do with the wins or the offense its just our coaches cant recruit. Georgia isn't having that issue with a new coach and bad season. But they obviously have more to offer.
Continue to build a team on 3 star talent you get 3 stars results.
You know you are right every team gets excited when they sign a good kicker. That is where we are..the look on the bright side he got us a good kicker.
There is no excuse that our class should be the way it is right now. Somehow you've reasoned Kentucky should be recruiting better than us. Give me break.
So currently we are blitz firing offers out like t-shirts being shot out of a cannon at an NBA game to try to fill the class a week before NSD. As Mac says geek golly isn't this fun guys.
Why? because we are a power five school in the SEC in Florida. We pay our coaches good salaries to recruit. We have tradition. We have great academics. What we don't have is good recruiters. Has that crossed your mind that it has nothing to do with the wins or the offense its just our coaches cant recruit. Georgia isn't having that issue with a new coach and bad season. But they obviously have more to offer.
Continue to build a team on 3 star talent you get 3 stars results.
You know you are right every team gets excited when they sign a good kicker. That is where we are..the look on the bright side he got us a good kicker.
There is no excuse that our class should be the way it is right now. Somehow you've reasoned Kentucky should be recruiting better than us. Give me break.
So currently we are blitz firing offers out like t-shirts being shot out of a cannon at an NBA game to try to fill the class a week before NSD. As Mac says geek golly isn't this fun guys.
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Posted on 1/26/17 at 2:22 pm to gatorbait_007
Isn't it cool?
Posted on 1/26/17 at 4:27 pm to slayerxing
What a cluster...now Atl is listening to "recruitniks" holy mother of Jesus...get a fricking GRIP.
Wait til after NSD...before saying "OMG OMG OMG coaches suck, recruiting sucks, skying is falling, we are doomed, the coaches suck, recruiting sucks, we are doomed, sky is falling" shite. It resembles a 14 yr old girls pajama party and crying about the boy who wont ask them out.
07...please take long walk on a short pier...you dont know shite pal....I guess LSU just beat themselves...maybe Josephs hit on Eitling didnt happen...maybe , just maybe Eitling went out of bounds on purpose. You sound like horse's azz with that nonsense. Our team played their hearts out short handed on defense pal and I dont appreciate you belittling their effort and our coaches for that matter. Gedt back to me after Feb 1st or better yet they need fans on Whorechant.
Wait til after NSD...before saying "OMG OMG OMG coaches suck, recruiting sucks, skying is falling, we are doomed, the coaches suck, recruiting sucks, we are doomed, sky is falling" shite. It resembles a 14 yr old girls pajama party and crying about the boy who wont ask them out.
07...please take long walk on a short pier...you dont know shite pal....I guess LSU just beat themselves...maybe Josephs hit on Eitling didnt happen...maybe , just maybe Eitling went out of bounds on purpose. You sound like horse's azz with that nonsense. Our team played their hearts out short handed on defense pal and I dont appreciate you belittling their effort and our coaches for that matter. Gedt back to me after Feb 1st or better yet they need fans on Whorechant.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:16 pm to reel_gator8
No reel, you need to get a grip. There's no way to spin this. This is terrible. I think Mac is a damn good coach. I think he has a damn good eye for under the radar talent. But we have 14 commits less than a week before signing day, and we're missing on big targets or trending down for big targets, so we're scrambling to offer guys that Mac and the staff haven't been able to evaluate as closely as I'm sure they would have liked.
I really think Mac is the right COACH for this job. But he has absolutely GOT to get this recruiting right. We're losing guys to Miami. We're losing guys to Nebraska (slightly more understandable due to him being from Cali), but still. There is a problem and i think Mac is smart enough to realize it. Now he has to get it fixed.
I really think Mac is the right COACH for this job. But he has absolutely GOT to get this recruiting right. We're losing guys to Miami. We're losing guys to Nebraska (slightly more understandable due to him being from Cali), but still. There is a problem and i think Mac is smart enough to realize it. Now he has to get it fixed.
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