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re: How good of a coach was Johnny Vaught?
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I was lurking buddy. Hell I lurked TD here for five years before I ever posted. I never posted on Rivals but I lurked the Bama, Tennessee, Auburn, and LSU boards on a daily or at least weekly basis. I hated volmet and most of those Vol posters. You held your own with all of them though. Yea I vividly remember you buddy. I thought that was you.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:17 pm to bamagreycoat
Those names, haven't thought about them in years.
Back then I used to read that one and Auburn quite a bit. We were not posting from positions of strength in this days hahaha. Those were not easy days to be a Bammer.
Back then I used to read that one and Auburn quite a bit. We were not posting from positions of strength in this days hahaha. Those were not easy days to be a Bammer.
This post was edited on 10/15/17 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:21 pm to cypressbrake3
Top 10 SEC coaches:
1. Saban
2. Bear
3. Neyland
4. Spurrier
5. Dooley
6. Vaught
7. Dodd
8. Meyer
9. Fulmer
10. Dye
1. Saban
2. Bear
3. Neyland
4. Spurrier
5. Dooley
6. Vaught
7. Dodd
8. Meyer
9. Fulmer
10. Dye
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yea it was rough that's for sure. But after that seven year streak those Volquest Pukes were so sure we were a dead and buried program. There's been a lotta hardware collected in Tuscaloosa since then though. Take it easy man I'll see you around TD.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:25 pm to bamagreycoat
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Yea it was rough that's for sure. But after that seven year streak those Volquest Pukes were so sure we were a dead and buried program. There's been a lotta hardware collected in Tuscaloosa since then though. Take it easy man I'll see you around TD.
Amen bud. You too.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:27 pm to Oklahomey
Pat Dye is above Fulmer imho. Dye also never had the luxury of a BCS system to win a NC or he would have won one or two of them. Dye pretty much dominated the 80's in the conference. Fulmer is top ten though definitely.
This post was edited on 10/15/17 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:35 pm to Oklahomey
Shug Jordan?
Would he be close to making the Top 10 SEC?
Would he be close to making the Top 10 SEC?
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:38 pm to Oklahomey
btw, seems to me you have Dooley a bit high.
I know, he won a NC with Herschel, but I don't recall him as quite the consistent force that some of the others were.
I know, he won a NC with Herschel, but I don't recall him as quite the consistent force that some of the others were.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 9:41 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Bear Bryant didn’t want to play against him
Posted on 10/15/17 at 10:24 pm to Ancient Astronaut
Vaught was a great coach and a good man....I was in the first class to live in the new Vaught Hall back when they had athletic dorms.
Posted on 10/15/17 at 10:31 pm to bamagreycoat
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Dye also never had the luxury of a BCS system to win a NC or he would have won one or two of them. Dye
He also had the luxury of only having to play 6 conference games and not having to play an SECCG
Much easier to win the SEC back then than it is today.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:27 am to MikeyInTheHam
Johnny Vaught was a great coach. It was OM that Bryant had to overthrow when he returned to Bama, not UT, LSU, etc. He won 6 titles between 47-63. He had a nice 6-4 record in major bowls, he and Butts the only coaches besides the 3 at Alabama with a winning record. In the 12 years between 52-63 he had 9 top 10 AP finishes and one 11, including 8 top 7s. Beginning in '57: 7, 11, 2, 2, 3, 5, 7.
Name, School, SECCs, NCs, Win %, Major Bowl rec
1) Bryant (UK 47-53, Bama 58-82): 14, 6, 71.0% 82.4%, 12-8
2) Saban (LSU 00-05, Bama 07-): 7, 5, 75% 87.1%, 8-4
3) Spurrier (UF 90-01, USC 05-15): 6, 1, 81.7% 63.7%, 4-4
4) Neyland (UT 33-40 46-52): 5, 1, 74.7%, 2-5
5) Vaught (OM 47-70, 73): 6, 0, 74.5%, 6-4
6) Dooley (UGA 64-88): 6, 1, 71.5%, 3-6
7) Thomas (Bama 33-42 44-46): 4, 1, 80.6%, 4-2
8) Dye (AU 81-92): 4, 0, 71.1%, 1-2-1
9) Butts (UGA 39-60): 4, 0, 61.4%, 4-1
Notes:
(1) After 1936, when AP began, only counting wire service NCs (AP, UP/Coaches polls). So did not count Bama in 41 - bogus, 45 or 66; UT in 51; OM in 60, 62, etc.
(2) SEC began in 1933.
(3) All of the numbers. e.g.,NCs, Win %, etc., are while at an SEC school.
(4) Neyland was at UT 7 years prior to SEC - those years not counted.
(5) Thomas was at Alabama 2 years prior to SEC - those years not counted.
(6) Didn't think anyone else did enough to be listed. Only Majors won more than 2 SECCs (3) and he didn't seem to fit. Actually Butts was a stretch because of his winning % - a full 10% less than the next lowest. But he won 4 SEC titles and was 4-1 in major bowls. Miles and Dodd were considered but only won 2 titles.
(7) Alabama has 3 of the 5 coaches who have a winning % above 80; and 3 of the 4 coaches who have a winning record in major bowl games.
(8) LSU has no coach on the list, but IMO, they are now the number 2 SEC program of all time, not UT.
Name, School, SECCs, NCs, Win %, Major Bowl rec
1) Bryant (UK 47-53, Bama 58-82): 14, 6, 71.0% 82.4%, 12-8
2) Saban (LSU 00-05, Bama 07-): 7, 5, 75% 87.1%, 8-4
3) Spurrier (UF 90-01, USC 05-15): 6, 1, 81.7% 63.7%, 4-4
4) Neyland (UT 33-40 46-52): 5, 1, 74.7%, 2-5
5) Vaught (OM 47-70, 73): 6, 0, 74.5%, 6-4
6) Dooley (UGA 64-88): 6, 1, 71.5%, 3-6
7) Thomas (Bama 33-42 44-46): 4, 1, 80.6%, 4-2
8) Dye (AU 81-92): 4, 0, 71.1%, 1-2-1
9) Butts (UGA 39-60): 4, 0, 61.4%, 4-1
Notes:
(1) After 1936, when AP began, only counting wire service NCs (AP, UP/Coaches polls). So did not count Bama in 41 - bogus, 45 or 66; UT in 51; OM in 60, 62, etc.
(2) SEC began in 1933.
(3) All of the numbers. e.g.,NCs, Win %, etc., are while at an SEC school.
(4) Neyland was at UT 7 years prior to SEC - those years not counted.
(5) Thomas was at Alabama 2 years prior to SEC - those years not counted.
(6) Didn't think anyone else did enough to be listed. Only Majors won more than 2 SECCs (3) and he didn't seem to fit. Actually Butts was a stretch because of his winning % - a full 10% less than the next lowest. But he won 4 SEC titles and was 4-1 in major bowls. Miles and Dodd were considered but only won 2 titles.
(7) Alabama has 3 of the 5 coaches who have a winning % above 80; and 3 of the 4 coaches who have a winning record in major bowl games.
(8) LSU has no coach on the list, but IMO, they are now the number 2 SEC program of all time, not UT.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:30 am to Ancient Astronaut
Ancient Astronaut:
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Didn't want to play against who ?
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Bear Bryant didn’t want to play against him
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Didn't want to play against who ?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:18 am to cypressbrake3
He was one of the best coaches at paying players in the history of football. top 5 for that.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:25 am to Ancient Astronaut
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Bear Bryant didn’t want to play against him
Coach Bryant had a winning record head to head against Vaught.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:23 am to Jake_LaMotta
True, Bear leads by one game. But from 1944-65 Bama and Ole Miss did not play each other in the regular season. Personally the two probably just had a gentleman's agreement not to play one another. It was a lot different back then.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:45 am to VivaZapata27
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John Vaught built a national powerhouse from scratch
That's a bit of a stretch. National powers don't fade once the coach that built it leaves. Look at Florida, FSU, Miami, etc.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:54 am to BooleanGuru
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That's a bit of a stretch. National powers don't fade once the coach that built it leaves. Look at Florida, FSU, Miami, etc.
It does if you hire a string of bad coaches to replace a great coach (Kindard, Cooper, Sloan). Take Alabama as an example. They corrected their mistake after DuBose and then followed up the Shula experiment with little Nicky. Had they kept either of those two, their program wouldn't be in nowhere near the shape it is in now.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 11:55 am
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:58 am to tattoo
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(4) Neyland was at UT 7 years prior to SEC - those years not counted.
He also took a leave of absence at the peak of his career to fight in WW2. You cannot put Neyland behind Spurrier and be taken seriously.
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