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re: UF and Vols QB situation
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:37 pm to wdhalgren
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:37 pm to wdhalgren
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Actually, I don't think anyone has said UT is bereft of talent. I would say that UT is bereft of qb experience, and experience is pretty important for a qb. And I'd also say that until one of your qb's gets significant SEC experience, it's difficult to know how well their talent will translate to this level of play. In other words, all of your assertions at this stage are wishful thinking, and that's the very logical reason why everyone else is in wait and see mode instead of jumping on the Tennessee 2017 bandwagon.
QD has played in games and has some experience.** He's a rising junior who has been running our offense since HS because his father, who was his coach, installed it at his HS. Again I understand the skepticism but as someone who was skeptical of QD he's managed to convert me and I prefer a DT -- UT has a very long and successful tradition with DT QBs. But with QD I'm laying a marker down and asking you to sit back and watch - don't take it on faith. I believe he'll prove it so long as he doesn't melt under the lights and I stand by that.
And I completely disagree that no one thinks we're bereft of talent. The rankings, articles, and general comments by fans have indicated otherwise. We lost high profile positions and casual CFB fans as well as lazy sportswriters have consistently made it out that we have this enormous talent drain across the board that simply didn't happen. At many spots we're more talented but because we lost a QB and the best DE in CFB the perception has been that we lost most of our team and have no talent.
**CORRECTED DUE TO INACCURACY. I MiSREAD THE UTSPORTS SITE.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 5:53 pm
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:42 pm to Prof
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QD has started 4 games and played in more
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:43 pm to volfan30
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Dobbs was ranked about 100 spots ahead of Dormady by both 247 and 247Composite.
Dobbs was a borderline top 100 overall player.
And still wasn't highly recruited. A large part of that was due to his academic demands but it is what it is. When he flipped to UT the news was greeted by a collective yawn.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:48 pm to volfan30
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Sorry, I got that from a quick look at the UTSports website. It lists things as "games/starts" and I was too quick on the draw.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:49 pm to Prof
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QD has started 4 games and played in more.
Look, don't bring BS to this kind of discussion; it's too easily debunked. Here's the extent of Dormady's experience against P5 defenses.
Year Opponent Performance
2015 Vanderbilt 2 for 4 for 52 yards
2015 Northwestern 2 for 4 for 28 yards
2016 Alabama 2 for 4 for 39 yards
Other than that he's attempted 27 passes against Bowling Green, Western Carolina, North Texas, Tennessee Tech. His college experience so far isn't sufficient to draw any conclusions, at least not for a non-Tennessee fan.
I get the impression you're starved for off season acclaim for your qb's, but it's not gonna happen until they prove it in SEC play. Sometimes people do that before qb's ever prove anything (like for Eason, etc.), but those predictions are wrong more often than right.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:52 pm to Prof
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And still wasn't highly recruited. A large part of that was due to his academic demands but it is what it is.
Just saying he was much more highly ranked than QD by 247, which you referenced in that post.
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When he flipped to UT the news was greeted by a collective yawn.
Don't remember it this way at all. Remember the tweet by UT of Jones on the phone and the celebrating in the background when Dobbs called CBJ the night before NSD?
LINK
Seems like a lot of excitement here.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:55 pm to volfan30
Jones was over the moon. Everyone else was "wtf, why is he so excited/who is this kid???"
Remember Ferguson was deemed our savior.
A few quotes from that thread:
They need to redshirt Dobbs. I think we're more likely to see Ferguson than Dobbs.
Ferguson seems to be ahead of Dobbs now. Ferguson is a gamer.
Think Riley has been the more impressive and is ahead of Dobbs. Either way anyone but Worley.
Remember Ferguson was deemed our savior.
A few quotes from that thread:
They need to redshirt Dobbs. I think we're more likely to see Ferguson than Dobbs.
Ferguson seems to be ahead of Dobbs now. Ferguson is a gamer.
Think Riley has been the more impressive and is ahead of Dobbs. Either way anyone but Worley.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:57 pm to wdhalgren
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Look, don't bring BS to this kind of discussion; it's too easily debunked. Here's the extent of Dormady's experience against P5 defenses.
Already been corrected. The point is he has some experience and a lack of experience has never stopped anyone from being hyped (see Eason, Stidham, or any number of players).
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:58 pm to jcolding41
The QB situation at UF is a complete mystery. Franks is the predicted starter right now although calls for Zaire are starting now that he is transferred.
It's going to be better than last year. I'm not sure by how much though.
It's going to be better than last year. I'm not sure by how much though.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:59 pm to Prof
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Jones was over the moon. Everyone else was "wtf, why is he so excited/who is this kid???"
You don't think Tennessee fans knew who an Elite 11 QB who was a top 110 prospect nationally was??? The guy had a 150 page thread on VolNation
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Remember Ferguson was deemed our savior.
Ferguson was a 3 star ranked 480 spots below Dobbs in the rankings for goodness sakes.
I'm totally lost on your angle here.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:07 pm to jcolding41
I think most of us are very happy with the QB room for the foreseeable future.
Very little tape on Dormady who should be the starter outside of this year's spring game.
Dormady Spring game highlights
Very little tape on Dormady who should be the starter outside of this year's spring game.
Dormady Spring game highlights
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:07 pm to volfan30
Of course they did once they looked him up. Yet VN thought then and all the way until RF quit that RF was our savior. Only a few quotes from the thread you linked but they're representative of how VN felt regarding the Dobbs/Fergie debate. Not sure why you're denying that.
Think Riley has been the more impressive and is ahead of Dobbs. Either way anyone but Worley.
They need to redshirt Dobbs. I think we're more likely to see Ferguson than Dobbs.
Ferguson seems to be ahead of Dobbs now. Ferguson is a gamer.
Think Riley has been the more impressive and is ahead of Dobbs. Either way anyone but Worley.
They need to redshirt Dobbs. I think we're more likely to see Ferguson than Dobbs.
Ferguson seems to be ahead of Dobbs now. Ferguson is a gamer.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:10 pm to slayerxing
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The QB situation at UF is a complete mystery. Franks is the predicted starter right now although calls for Zaire are starting now that he is transferred.
Coaches don't typically bring in grad transfers to ride the pine. I think Zaire is your man.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:17 pm to Prof
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The point is he has some experience and a lack of experience has never stopped anyone from being hyped (see Eason, Stidham, or any number of players).
And my point, from the beginning, is that's exactly what you're doing. Hyping up a quarterback who doesn't have enough experience to make predictions with any level of confidence. Not saying you're wrong, just that my analysis of Bentley was based on something more tangible, watching him play in meaningful game situations.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:25 pm to wdhalgren
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And my point, from the beginning, is that's exactly what you're doing. Hyping up a quarterback who doesn't have enough experience to make predictions with any level of confidence. Not saying you're wrong, just that my analysis of Bentley was based on something more tangible, watching him play in meaningful game situations.
I've been completely honest regarding my thoughts here. I've even said don't take it on faith - wait til he proves it. To say that I'm hyping him when the claim is that I believe he'll prove to be better than Bentley by the end of the year is pushing it. Bentley has talent and potential but has done nothing yet. If Bentley had actually done something *then* it would be accurate to say I'm overhyping QD.
I'm saying wait and see. I've also said he could melt under the lights *but* if he doesn't melt I believe he'll prove to be far better. With nothing proven by either it's not as though Bentley is a high bar.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:30 pm to Prof
Tennessee's offense will be pretty good. Yalls defense will Be the deciding factor if y'all are going to be competing for Atlanta. I'm really intrigued with Florida though, how well will they perform without muschamps D? Will the offense step up?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:37 pm to jcolding41
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Tennessee's offense will be pretty good. Yalls defense will Be the deciding factor if y'all are going to be competing for Atlanta. I'm really intrigued with Florida though, how well will they perform without muschamps D? Will the offense step up?
Agreed on both counts. I also think SC is underrated while UK is overrated. SC isn't quite there yet in that I don't think they have the depth needed to be consistent but they are close enough to be a real threat and general pain in the arse to everyone they play.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:42 pm to Prof
SC is definitely overrated and U.K. will be good for the next couple of years. Carolina's wide receivers are just plain talented and Bentley is a baller, too bad the rest of their team is kinda average. The way things are going the east will be stacked in 3 or so years.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 6:52 pm to jcolding41
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SC is definitely overrated and U.K. will be good for the next couple of years. Carolina's wide receivers are just plain talented and Bentley is a baller, too bad the rest of their team is kinda average. The way things are going the east will be stacked in 3 or so years.
I think SC is a bit overrated by general fans but underrated by the media which has placed them pretty low. UK I just can't agree on and I want to badly. Maybe it's because I tend to support UK when we're not playing them due to family ties and have experienced too much disappointment over the years but I just can't believe in them yet -- not where the media keeps putting them anyway. They are far better than they were but I don't think they're a darkhorse team just yet.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:06 pm to Prof
Dormady will be really good.
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