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UF and Vols QB situation

Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:22 pm
Posted by jcolding41
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:22 pm
How are you guys doing with yalls QB situation? Is Filipe Franks starting for UF? How's the QB battle in Knoxville?
Posted by volfan30
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:29 pm to
Dormady will be VOLS starter. I do not think it was ever much of a competition.
Posted by AU_251
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:30 pm to
I wish K. Toney would get playing time for UF. 251 stand up! He was electric as they come in high school



Kadarious Toney highlights

This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:37 pm to
QB situation in Knoxville is really good. Quentin Dormady (coach's son who has been running our offense since HS - his dad implemented our system when he committed) will likely win the job and has shown touch reminiscent of some of the best. He was touted for his arm but it's his placement that is amazing to see. If he can hold up under pressure in live action he will be a damned fine QB for us.

JG (NFL WR's son and son of a guy CBJ coached during a stint at Rutgers when both were basically kids) has more raw talent and a bigger arm (although both have pro arms). But his inexperience has shown through. For example, he's taken more sacks in scrimmages than QD. However, he has a legit arm and is able to peel off big runs (tho he's not nearly the magician Dobbs was and to be fair I can't think of many who've come close to Dobbs when it comes to improv, escaping impossible situations and defenders who had him dead to rights and generally making people look silly due to him having that sixth sense that is so rare. JG is more straight speed.

If QD starts then we start off the year with a lower learning curve and a QB slightly lower ceiling which is funny to say because QD is a legit top pro prospect and as long as he doesn't melt under pressure is going to turn heads this season. If JG starts it's high risk high reward. He has a gunslinger mentality and is apt to make far more mistakes early on. But at this point we pretty much feel the Junior will start over the RS Frosh. Though I think both will be given a chance in live action versus GT, especially since you just don't know about a QB until you see him against an opponent in live action.

Summer workouts and Fall camp may change all of this but I think most would tell you we are in great shape at QB.

This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 4:44 pm
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:42 pm to
After reading some of the hype about Bentley at USCe, I decided to watch some of his games. I'd seen a little, but watching again he looked impressive for a freshman. That kid has a good shot to be the best qb in the East this year, if their OL is any good. He thinks fast, quick release and has decent mobility and arm strength. I'd trade him for Eason right now.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 4:45 pm
Posted by Torch
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:45 pm to
I agree that Dormady will more than likely start the season, and he should. He has a big arm and great touch on the ball, and knows the offense. He is more mobile than I expected, but obviously not at a Josh Dobbs level, mobility-wise.

I feel like our QB situation will surprise many who assume a drastic drop-off after the departure of Dobbs. The athleticism of Josh Dobbs often was barely offsetting a very porous line. However, our o-line should be a strength, which will benefit Dormady's accuracy and reads.
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:46 pm to
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After reading some of the hype about Bentley at USCe, I decided to watch some of his games. That kid has a good shot to be the best qb in the East this year, if their OL is any good. He thinks fast, quick release and has decent mobility and arm strength. I'd trade him for Eason right now.



Bentley is good but Dormady is better (at least talent wise) and by the end of the season it won't be close. Even tho he may take some early lumps, he's Bray with a brain and has ball placement that's unreal.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 4:47 pm
Posted by Kraven Moorehed
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:51 pm to
Pretty Boy Q is going to release his nuts all over the SEC lEast this year. Guarantee he averages 300 yards a game against the East
Posted by CarolinaGamecock99
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:55 pm to
Bookmarked
Posted by wdhalgren
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:59 pm to
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Bentley is good but Dormady is better (at least talent wise) and by the end of the season it won't be close.


Fans normally give their player the benefit of the doubt, especially before they've been tested. The great majority of future NFL quarterbacks never live up to that billing. I don't think Dormady's limited experience to date is enough to say much of anything about his future, except maybe for Tennessee fans who really like how he looks in practice.

I don't have any reason to strongly predict Bentley's future, just saying that he showed a lot of promise for a true freshman who started the year 3rd on the depth chart.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 5:01 pm
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 4:59 pm to
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I agree that Dormady will more than likely start the season, and he should. He has a big arm and great touch on the ball, and knows the offense. He is more mobile than I expected, but obviously not at a Josh Dobbs level, mobility-wise.

I feel like our QB situation will surprise many who assume a drastic drop-off after the departure of Dobbs. The athleticism of Josh Dobbs often was barely offsetting a very porous line. However, our o-line should be a strength, which will benefit Dormady's accuracy and reads.



It's wishful thinking by opponents and ignorance/laziness by a lot of sportswriters. Dormady was rated the No. 5 pro-style prospect by 247 and was recruited hard by Saban and several other top programs. JG was rated the No. 1 Dual Threat prospect and was recruited hard by Tom Herman when he was at tOSU. When JG committed a tOSU coach (can't remember which one) went absolutely ballistic on twitter.

In contrast, Dobbs was not highly recruited at all nor was he highly ranked. Dobbs also never had a QB coach and was forced to run for his life most of his career. The addition of Canales combined with these young guns as well as an oline that is finally a strength has put us in a fantastic position at QB.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:04 pm to
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In contrast, Dobbs was not highly recruited at all nor was he highly ranked.


Dobbs was ranked about 100 spots ahead of Dormady by both 247 and 247Composite.

Dobbs was a borderline top 100 overall player.
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:07 pm to
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Fans normally give their player the benefit of the doubt, especially before they've been tested. The great majority of future NFL quarterbacks never live up to that billing. I don't think Dormady's limited experience to date is enough to say much of anything about his future, except maybe for Tennessee fans who really likes how he looks in practice.



Absolutely true and to be skeptical is more than fair. I will say this about Dormady -- I was not a fan of him at all until this offseason when he showcased day after day what he could do. I wanted him to never see a game except as a backup. But after seeing his consistency and growth I have no doubt that as long as he's not the type to melt under the bright lights he will be better than Bentley by a mile. He was ranked higher as a recruit and in terms of watching them throw the talent difference is obvious. The only question is whether or not QD can translate his talent to live games. If he can he will be better and if not Bentley will be. Right now, I believe he can and I was an enormous skeptic when it came to QD.

But like I said earlier, I believe Bentley will be a damn good QB too.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 5:09 pm
Posted by wdhalgren
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:08 pm to
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wishful thinking by opponents and ignorance/laziness by a lot of sportswriters. Dormady was rated the No. 5 pro-style prospect by 247 and was recruited hard by Saban and several other top programs. JG was rated the No. 1 Dual Threat prospect and was recruited hard by Tom Herman when he was at tOSU.


I'm confused. Are you saying that opposing fans and sportswriters are too ignorant/lazy/wishful to look at the recruit rankings, and thereby know that Dormady/JG are highly talented and future pro qb's? I know UT fans are always optimistic, but your qb recruit rankings don't actually establish the certainty of their future performance. That's not just laziness or wishful thinking, ask any football fan who has watched highly rated qb recruits frequently underperform.

As for Dobbs, he wasn't an accurate passer, but he got pretty good at reading defenses and his legs opened up your offense. Predicting some dropoff from an experienced running qb to an inexperienced and less mobile qb is not a bad guess. You may guess otherwise, but that's wishful thinking too, until the season plays out.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 5:16 pm
Posted by Kraven Moorehed
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:18 pm to
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wdhalgren



You are a good poster, so that is why I am offering you a Dormady hype train ticket at half off. You can buy now or wait until after the first game.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:18 pm to
quote:

I'm confused. Are you saying that opposing fans and sportswriters are too ignorant/lazy/wishful to look at the recruit rankings, and thereby know that Dormady is a highly talented and future pro qb? I know UT fans are always optimistic, but your qb recruit rankings don't actually establish the certainty of their future performance. That's not just laziness or wishful thinking, ask any Auburn fan.



I'm saying that talent matters and that both are guilty of thinking UT is suddenly bereft of talent when that's simply not the case at all. And to say it's because they haven't played is utter bullshite several SEC QBs that haven't played or had never played at the time fans and writers were talking about them and either giving them the benefit of the doubt or talking about them as the second coming (e.g. Eason and Stidham and that other guy who was supposed to be a Heisman winner from Auburn).

Dobbs wasn't an accurate passer for most of his career for several reasons including the fact that he never had time to throw. However, he was quite accurate his senior year and had the most accurate deep ball in the draft. And as mentioned earlier, Dobbs never had a QB coach.

I'm not saying QD or JG will put up better numbers than Dobbs. As much as you discounted his accuracy, his senior year put him in elite company across the board. However, I am saying both are capable of running an extremely potent offense.
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:26 pm to
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Bookmarked



Lord I hope so. I make so few hard predictions that when I do I fully support you writing it down.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:27 pm to
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talent matters and that both are guilty of thinking UT is suddenly bereft of talent when that's simply not the case at all.


Actually, I don't think anyone has said UT is bereft of talent. I would say that UT is bereft of qb experience, and experience is pretty important for a qb. And I'd also say that until one of your qb's gets significant SEC experience, it's difficult to know how well their talent will translate to this level of play. In other words, all of your assertions at this stage are wishful thinking, and that's the very logical reason why everyone else is in wait and see mode instead of jumping on the Tennessee 2017 bandwagon.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 5:29 pm
Posted by Torch
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Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:28 pm to
quote:

Dobbs was ranked about 100 spots ahead of Dormady by both 247 and 247Composite.

Dobbs was a borderline top 100 overall player.


Dobbs also basically got thrown to the wolves and became a starter halfway through his freshman year. He never had the luxury to sit behind a consistent starter and learn with relatively little pressure. Although this speaks volumes to Dobbs's abilities, I think his consistency also benefited Dormady by providing the opportunity to learn and develop without the pressure.

Hopefully QD has taken advantage of the time as a backup and will come out hot. He has looked good in practice but as others have mentioned, that doesn't necessarily mean much.
Posted by SlowEasyConfident
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 5:29 pm to
Bent boy wasn't very impressive last season
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