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re: Chubb, Michel, Carter, and Bellamy returning to UGA for senior season
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:41 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:41 am to Crowknowsbest
Good. I'm glad they will be there to lose their last SEC game to Auburn
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Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:01 am to AUtigerNOLA
Auburn should be heavily favored, but they own Auburn
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:02 am to ScarletFire
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Because I don't have to. If you are getting that good of a class, your program is either:
a) not developing talent
b) misusing talent
c) terrible at scouting
d) having terrible discipline problems
and the most likely choice e) all of the above
No one should ever complain about the players when you are getting a class in the top 20. Period. Blame Richt all you want, 247 still has you as the 6th most talented team in the country this year
Is the WHY "all of the above" as you claim, or limited to just one reason? Doesnt matter. Either way, the WHY is irrelevant because it doesnt prove the 2013 class was NOT a major problem for our 2016 team. Same goes with the 247 roster composite that ignores the dispersement of experience and talent across all positions, which are huge flaws that cannot be ignored. Most of our top talent was either very young or at the same position. Thats not a good combo.
This post was edited on 12/16/16 at 9:06 am
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:13 am to djsdawg
I don't have to update my sig! Sweet
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:17 am to ScarletFire
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If you are signing the top tier guys, the recruiting itself isn't the problem, what happens afterwards is.
I can get this. There's a reason Richt isn't here anymore.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:17 am to djsdawg
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Either way, the WHY is irrelevant because it doesnt prove the 2013 class was NOT a major problem for our 2016 team
The problem isn't the recruiting after the guys are signed. You get to pick the guys you offer, and according to lots of people who know a lot more than either you or I about scouting they were at least pretty dang good players on average. What happens to them after they sign on the dotted line isn't a recruiting issue anymore, its mishandling players and unforeseen circumstances that happen to guys on the roster. You act like Richt would have recruited them if he knew half would end up at other schools
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:34 am to AUtigerNOLA
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lose their last SEC game to Auburn
thanks for the laugh
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:44 am to ScarletFire
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If you are signing the top tier guys, the recruiting itself isn't the problem, what happens afterwards is.
this is what you and pretty much everyone other than UGA fans don't seem to get. We haven't been signing "top tier" guys by and large. People want to say "UGA always has top 10 classes, talent isn't the issue". Well...when we have a #10 class and 4 other SEC schools have top 7 or 8 classes...after a few recruiting cycles we can have that nice "top 10 recuiring class" trophy while sitting at the 4th, 5th, or 6th most talented roster in our own league.
Bama, UF, LSU...all the programs that have had mega-success this decade have strung together a few top 3/4 classes, UGA hasn't sniffed anywhere close to that. What we're starting to see now with Kirby is that not only are we upping our recruiting a notch to aim for top 5 classes instead of top 10, we're also seeing (at least this 2017 class anyway, the future is obviously yet to be seen) us pull away from our rivals. UF,UT, SC, AU are all lagging well behind us.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:45 am to ScarletFire
The issue is whether or not the 2013 class was worth a shite as it pertains to our 2016 team. I am guessing you know the obvious answer to that, but you want to play a game of semantics to help pass the time.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 9:51 am to WG_Dawg
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Well...when we have a #10 class and 4 other SEC schools have top 7 or 8 classes...
LSU and Alabama have been two of those 4 basically every year, both teams you don't play every year. The other two teams have been Florida and different west teams depending on the year.
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sitting at the 4th, 5th, or 6th most talented roster in our own league.
You're the 6th most talented team IN THE COUNTRY this year according to 247, which is pretty widely accepted as the industry standard.
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What we're starting to see now with Kirby is that not only are we upping our recruiting a notch to aim for top 5 classes instead of top 10
That depends on how long recruits want to give Kirby a pass for, if he turns out to be the coach I think he will be: good to mediocre.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:08 am to ScarletFire
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LSU and Alabama have been two of those 4 basically every year, both teams you don't play every year.
I wasn't referring to us playing those teams, I was referring to those team's success compared to ours. From 06-13ish when LSU was perenially a top 5ish program, look at the classes they strung together, multiple top 5s. When UF was a national force under meyer, routinely reeld in top 2/3 ranked classes. Bama has basically put a stranglehold on the entire country on the strength of #1 class after #1 class.
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You're the 6th most talented team IN THE COUNTRY this year according to 247
Based on what, the last 4 recruiting rankings? In '13 we finsihed 12th and 2/3 of that class didn't amount to shite or transferred, readjusted we probably had like the 30th best class that year. In 2014 we finished 8th nationally, but SIXTH in the SEC! In 15 we were 5th nationally but not even 1st in our own DIVISON. And last year we finished 8th but had three 5*. I imagine we're the "6th most talented team" on the strength of this past recruiting class, which were either true freshmen or redshirted last year.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:13 am to WG_Dawg
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In 2014 we finished 8th nationally, but SIXTH in the SEC! In 15 we were 5th nationally but not even 1st in our own DIVISON. And last year we finished 8th but had three 5*. I imagine we're the "6th most talented team" on the strength of this past recruiting class, which were either true freshmen or redshirted last year.
I'm sure this past recruiting class did help, but besides Ohio St, Bama, and LSU there aren't many teams that are perennial top-10 in terms of recruiting classes every year. You might have the 8th best class every year (which after a quick scan of recent recruiting classes is a number that showed up more than once, so we will use it as our example), but if Florida is 3rd one year then 20th the next it gives you a more balanced roster, hence more talent on average. Its not cut and dry science obviously, but its a decent gauge on things.
I'd rather be consistently in the 6-10 range as far as classes goes than having crazy variance.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:18 am to ScarletFire
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besides Ohio St, Bama, and LSU there aren't many teams that are perennial top-10 in terms of recruiting classes every year.
I get what you're saying, but my argument is basically Richt (not that we're talking about him, but it's an accurate comparison) in a nutshell. Constantly top 10, always juuuuust good enough but never great.
Sure we may have a 8-10 ranked class just about EVERY year, but the teams making the playoffs and winning big have a few top 2/3 classes in a 4 year cycle, even if the other few years they're outside the top 10. Just think...in a 4 year recruiting cycle a team finishing 10th every year may have 1-2 5* each class, so 5-8 in that time. Meanwhile a team that finishes top 2 twice and 13-15th twice is going to have 8-10ish over the same time. You can get by being good with high 3 or mid 4* guys but the ones that win you titles are the elite players.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:25 am to WG_Dawg
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Bama, UF, LSU...all the programs that have had mega-success this decade have strung together a few top 3/4 classes, UGA hasn't sniffed anywhere close to that. What we're starting to see now with Kirby is that not only are we upping our recruiting a notch to aim for top 5 classes instead of top 10, we're also seeing (at least this 2017 class anyway, the future is obviously yet to be seen) us pull away from our rivals. UF,UT, SC, AU are all lagging well behind us.
We shouldn't compare our classes against FSU, Clemson, and Ohio State. We should compare our classes against Bama, Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, LSU, etc...
And at that, we've generally finished middle of the pack.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:30 am to Crowknowsbest
The UGA side of me is happy about this decision. The "want the best for these guys" side of me is at odds with the decision. More so with Chubb and Michel. I expected both to go the draft with very little possibility of them returning for their senior year. I think Chubb does risk a catastrophic injury that ends his career. Sony seems a bit less injury prone but he does not take the hits that Chubb does every down either.
Between Chubb and Michel, Michel has more big play potential. Chubb is more of North\South runner which fits a different skill set. Michel could be either an every down back or a 3rd down speciality back. Based on what I saw this season, I don't think either back was used to or played up to their potential. It was a combination of questionable calls at times and poor O line play.
Between Chubb and Michel, Michel has more big play potential. Chubb is more of North\South runner which fits a different skill set. Michel could be either an every down back or a 3rd down speciality back. Based on what I saw this season, I don't think either back was used to or played up to their potential. It was a combination of questionable calls at times and poor O line play.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 10:36 am to ScarletFire
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a) not developing talent
b) misusing talent
c) terrible at scouting
d) having terrible discipline problems
and the most likely choice e) all of the above
Hey dumbass! This is why we canned Richt! Are you that fricking stupid?
Posted on 12/16/16 at 11:50 am to DirtyDawg
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Chubb's sniffed 100 yards rushing vs. Bama
I remember him as the last back to get over 100 yards against Bama. Only one to do it in 2 years now. A lot of my fellow Bama fans point out he got most of it on one run, where Ragland let himself get out of position. I simply remind these guys that that the run and the td did count. Chubb and these other players coming back is HUGE. Smart's stock is on the rise at UGA.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 12:05 pm to ugasickem
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This is why we canned Richt!
That STILL doesn't mean recruiting was the issue. Sounds like you are the dumbass
Posted on 12/16/16 at 12:07 pm to WG_Dawg
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Sure we may have a 8-10 ranked class just about EVERY year, but the teams making the playoffs and winning big have a few top 2/3 classes in a 4 year cycle, even if the other few years they're outside the top 10. Just think...in a 4 year recruiting cycle a team finishing 10th every year may have 1-2 5* each class, so 5-8 in that time. Meanwhile a team that finishes top 2 twice and 13-15th twice is going to have 8-10ish over the same time. You can get by being good with high 3 or mid 4* guys but the ones that win you titles are the elite players.
You ever think that maybe, just MAYBE that is just who you are as a program? You can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig. Theres a reason some programs just keep rising back to the top after they fall.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 12:09 pm to djsdawg
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The issue is whether or not the 2013 class was worth a shite as it pertains to our 2016 team
But the issue WAS the recruitment of the 2013 class, not what happened afterward. The guys from that class did put UGA in a weaker position this year, doesn't mean that recruiting was the issue.
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