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re: ESPN - Two SEC writers discuss, Who has the best overall talent, Ala or LSU
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:27 am to FleshEatingSalsa
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:27 am to FleshEatingSalsa
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Haven't read a single post and yet you know there was a Vandy fan it posted in here
There's one that posts in every LSU-Bama thread.
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Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:31 am to RB10
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Everyone else: "Meh. They're about equal overall, but Bama has a slight edge."
Haven't posted in this thread but this is about what I would have said
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:31 am to TrueTigerTale
I like LSU's roster over a lot of folks, Bama included. But Bama has the edge at OC and HC, which has been what has hindered talented LSU teams in recent past.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:34 am to RammerJammer91
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They're absolutely loaded this year. There is no excuse for them to lose more than 2 games this year (including the postseason). If they can't win the SEC/make the playoff this year, then you have to consider showing Les the door. It's put up or shut up time, and Les' typical 10-3 season shouldn't cut it. They may not have a team with this amount of experience/talent for a little while since they'll be losing the majority of their key players to the draft/graduation.
all of this
but I'd add that if LSU goes 10-3, but QB play has improved, LSU fans will be more forgiving. 10-3 with another sub-par year passing the ball then it's over for Les.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 10:40 am to TrueTigerTale
I think LSU vs Alabama will come down to the same issues it always has (and no, that's not coaching):
battle in the trenches.
LSU has superior skill players. They usually do, even when Bama has a Heisman winner... it comes down to the lines. Fournette is better than Henry, but Henry had open lanes, especially late; and Fournette faced a solid wall on every play.
Until LSU can catch up on the fronts, we can have all the talent in the world in the backfield and WR, and it won't matter.
edited to add- I hope this is where Orgeron's guys can balance it out.
battle in the trenches.
LSU has superior skill players. They usually do, even when Bama has a Heisman winner... it comes down to the lines. Fournette is better than Henry, but Henry had open lanes, especially late; and Fournette faced a solid wall on every play.
Until LSU can catch up on the fronts, we can have all the talent in the world in the backfield and WR, and it won't matter.
edited to add- I hope this is where Orgeron's guys can balance it out.
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 10:42 am
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:14 pm to slayerxing
quote:I can't help but question LSU's strength - Alabama man handled LSU's oline & dline last year.
Talent is close, on paper. Probably raw talent, speed, strength is similar too.
The problem for LSU is that Alabama's offensive coaching is so far and away better than what LSU can manage. LSU would need a huge talent disparity to make up for it, and unfortunately for them, that disparity is impossible with the way Alabama is recruiting right now.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:17 pm to RammerJammer91
quote:Bingo! No excuses for LSU this year. They aren't young, they aren't inexperienced, they aren't starting a new QB, they didn't lose a ton to the NFL, and they have a favorable schedule. It's playoff or bust.
They're absolutely loaded this year. There is no excuse for them to lose more than 2 games this year (including the postseason). If they can't win the SEC/make the playoff this year, then you have to consider showing Les the door. It's put up or shut up time, and Les' typical 10-3 season shouldn't cut it. They may not have a team with this amount of experience/talent for a little while since they'll be losing the majority of their key players to the draft/graduation.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:25 pm to RT1941
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I can't help but question LSU's strength - Alabama man handled LSU's oline & dline last year.
we've discussed this in the past, but I stand by my opinion that run blocking every game 85% of the time is a recipe for disaster come November.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:35 pm to tigerfan in bamaland
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Pocic > Hassenauer
So a L5U starter is better than the 3rd string Alabama Center?
You really went out on a limb there buddy.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 12:55 pm to DawgsLife
Please explain to me how Alabama receivers are lightyears ahead of LSUs or even better? Calvin Ridley is a good receiver and you can say he is a freshman but he is almost 22 years old. Malachi Dupre is just as talented.
This post was edited on 8/8/16 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 8/8/16 at 1:14 pm to Piscinin
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The talent has never been the question at LSU when it comes to playing Alabama, it boils down to coaching. Les is too stubborn to beat Saban because he has his mind made up that he is going to run the ball down Alabama's throat and that is never going to happen. LSU or anybody else is not going to run the ball consistently against a Nick Saban defense without mixing in some other offense to open up the run.
LF is the best RB in the country and he had about 32 years against the tide. Les needs sot learn offense.
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In 2012, Alabama led the nation in scoring, rushing, and total defense, coming in 7th in passing D. It's impossible to replicate the numbers they put up in 2011, that was an all-time great defense.
Something's not adding up here.
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Les is too stubborn to beat Saban because he has his mind made up that he is going to run the ball down Alabama's throat and that is never going to happen.
Actually it HAS happened, in 2011. But now we find this:
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It's impossible to replicate the numbers they put up in 2011, that was an all-time great defense.
So the best defense Alabama has ever fielded (arguably) is the only one that LSU has beaten by pretty much just running the ball down the throat of the defense.
Which is it, or what's changed?
People think that Les Miles just wants to run the football because he doesn't know any better. The fact is that he has a plan.
Les Miles want to wear down opposing defenses in the first half so that he can run in the second and control the game. Les wants to pick up first downs in the first half, but he doesn't really have to if he can limit the opponent to 3-and-outs. This is what Saban learned in 2011, so in the re-match he was focused solely on keeping the ball out of LSU's hands by picking up first downs above all else.
The difference between 2015 and 2011 for LSU is defense. LSU has not fielded the kind of defense that will produce 3-and-outs consistently like the 2011 defense. If Aranda can turn this defense around to be top 5 again, Les will be able to utilize his offensive game plan more effectively.
It all starts on the defensive line. I think it's been well documented that LSU's talent on the DL has diminished since 2011. There is more talent this year than recent years, and there is a new coach with a new scheme. Will Aranda's 3-4 produce the stops in the first half that Les' offensive philosophy needs? THAT is the question that has yet to be answered.
Remember, Jordan Jefferson beat Alabama's best defense evah - let that sink in.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 1:16 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
You named EVERY DB and DL that played serious quality minutes on the bama "D". That total was only eight players. That's not much experienced depth there. Especially in the secondary. The LBs aren't much better. They return five guys that played SEC quality minutes.
That's a grand total of 13 players returning that have SEC quality experience. Don't get me wrong now. Those new players might turn out awesome but, heading into '16 they really are an unknown quality.
saban's history at bama shows there will be a drop off in points allowed per game and total defense per game.
That's a grand total of 13 players returning that have SEC quality experience. Don't get me wrong now. Those new players might turn out awesome but, heading into '16 they really are an unknown quality.
saban's history at bama shows there will be a drop off in points allowed per game and total defense per game.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 1:51 pm to 167back
As I'm obviously biased I won't speak to the OP. I will state that this year when Bama and LSU play the amount of NFL talent that be on the field will be staggering and probably the most one the field in any one game ever.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 1:54 pm to Scoob
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LSU has superior skill players. They usually do, even when Bama has a Heisman winner... it comes down to the lines. Fournette is better than Henry, but Henry had open lanes, especially late; and Fournette faced a solid wall on every play.
Until LSU can catch up on the fronts, we can have all the talent in the world in the backfield and WR, and it won't matter.
edited to add- I hope this is where Orgeron's guys can balance it out.
bama fans refuse to believe this. its not a knock on henry but a compliment to the line play. Gumps too stupid to take a compliment.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 1:58 pm to topcat88
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Please explain to me how Alabama receivers are lightyears ahead of LSUs or even better? Calvin Ridley is a good receiver and you can say he is a freshman but he is almost 22 years old. Malachi Dupre is just as talented.
Well just comparing the two you listed, Ridley has more catches and yards than Dupre despite playing only one season compared to Dupre's two.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 2:08 pm to TideSaint
Talkin talent wise. Poster earlier said it was ridiculous to compare LSUs Receivers to Bama. Kiffin throws the ball a hell of a lot more than LES and Cameron.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 2:10 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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Fournette is better than Henry
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bama fans refuse to believe this.
Hey there. Bama fan here. I not only believe Fournette is better than Henry, but I will also readily admit it. Who are all these Bama fans you are referring to who "refuse to believe this"?
Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:58 pm to bamasgot13
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Hey there. Bama fan here. I not only believe Fournette is better than Henry, but I will also readily admit it. Who are all these Bama fans you are referring to who "refuse to believe this"?
all the downvotes he got.
he didn't say anything far fetched or homerish.
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:12 pm to Nado Jenkins83
With the returning players on D-line and with Valentine back and eligible to play, LSU this year may have the most talent at each position ever. Just look at the depth. IF we lose to Alabama this year its because of coaching. OR some crazy shite happens like always but hopefully the crazy shite that does happen goes in LSU's favor this year. AND PP7 was in by a foot and still video reviewed and they still said he was out, after that I was like wtf thats some sketchy shite! but anyway good day today for the Bayou State
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:12 pm to StevieG504
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LSU this year may have the most talent at each position ever
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