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re: Private HS's recruiting and giving scholarships competing with public schools
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:10 pm to DynastyDawg
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:10 pm to DynastyDawg
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Private schools also don't get funding from the state governments either. Their athletics programs are bought and paid for by tuition and private donations.
Let's not act like Public schools are getting the shaft here.
um, you realize that the public schools are ONLY allowed to spend a set amount on athletics right? regardless of how much they bring in, the coaches salaries are set at the state level and the funding from the state is limited.
at private schools you have not only rich people paying expensive tuitions but also rich boosters donating to the athletic programs and THEN you have no restrictions on how much of the endowment can be spent on athletics to boot.
You can say it any way you want but your apple will never equal your orange
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:11 pm to DynastyDawg
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They pay for it all on their own.
and the good private schools invest a lot more money into athletics than public schools are provided by the state. It doesn't matter if they have to pay it all on their own if they have more than enough money to do so, and then some. That's kind of the point. Regardless of where the funds are coming from, in TN the private schools have a lot more of it invested in athletics.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:11 pm to ThaKaptin
They switched to separate divisions in Louisiana a year ago and it has been a shitshow. In the top tier of private schools there are a grand total of 10 teams in the state. There are 9 different divisions now and in 5 of those every single team makes the playoffs.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:12 pm to ThaKaptin
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I watched the most talented team in Mortimer Jordan's history get absolutely slaughtered by a team with multiple players with D1 scholarship offers who were literally bought and paid for by the school.
St Pauls probably has the best development program in the state by a long shot. Its not just recruiting players but developing them in the weight room, etc from middle school to high school. Sorry that Mortimer Jordan has an inferior program with inferior coaching(as good as it may be).
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:13 pm to DynastyDawg
Yeah, I'm sure we have a few common friends. I played on a few city league teams so I was able to branch out more than the typical Old Shell Road kid 
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:14 pm to Taurus 357
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Well, I would counter that with why not?
The obvious answer is that they have entirely different rules for who can play for them. It is an unfair advantage, any way you look at it.
But for me the more important reason is "frick 'Em!" I've no doubt our public schools would be better if not for the local white flight Catholic school.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:17 pm to bamafan1001
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St Pauls probably has the best development program in the state by a long shot. Its not just recruiting players but developing them in the weight room, etc from middle school to high school.
good concise point in a good conversation
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Sorry that Mortimer Jordan has an inferior program with inferior coaching(as good as it may be).
and this is where you get shown to the kids table with the other tards
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:17 pm to ThaKaptin
So what are y'all suggesting be done?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:17 pm to The Nino
Man I would love to move back to Mobile but I just don't think it's going to happen unfortunately.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:18 pm to finestfirst79
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The obvious answer is that they have entirely different rules for who can play for them. It is an unfair advantage, any way you look at it.
exactly!!
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But for me the more important reason is "frick 'Em!" I've no doubt our public schools would be better if not for the local white flight Catholic school.
exactly!!
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:19 pm to ThaKaptin
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and this is where you get shown to the kids table with the other tards
What did he say that was incorrect though? This whole thread reeks of the kid that can't compete so he just wants to take his ball and go home.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:21 pm to NYCAuburn
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its about the restrictive regulations that public schools have to fight.
Would you be pissed if Bama had a 25 recruit per year limit and no one else in the SEC had the same restriction?
Public schools get government funding. They are the default school for all their constituents.
Private schools are privately funded. They have to recruit every single student that goes to school there. Not just the athletes, but the entire student body has to be convinced to pay money to attend that school (or qualify for financial aid/scholarships).
Again, you're complaining that the free option isn't as beneficial as the paid-option. Welcome to America.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:22 pm to DynastyDawg
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So what are y'all suggesting be done?
they need their own division or association. One that allows all its participants to use the same practices.
If a private school doesnt engage in these practices then they can stay where they are as it would be pretty shitty make a school that doesnt recruit or have a decent program at all, which is probably the case at most private schools, compete with the schools we are discussing.
They can still play regular season games with whoever they want, but much like the college system, it wouldnt count against their division standings. They would only count games against teams in their division.
This way rivalries can remain intact and there can still be fair competition at the championship level.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:22 pm to Jacknola
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Look ... this is an SEC board, not prep... and these things are fought out in every state. You have admitted not knowing anything about it so why don't you just let it alone? The truth is, every public school in the country gives what amounts to a "free scholarships so that the students can attend for free." And those "free scholarships" are paid for by taxpayers who then must also pay after-tax money for their kids to get a decent education. So if a student can go to a public school for free with their friends, why do they choose to go to a private school amid strangers and still have to pay something? It is because in many places, especially where I live, the public school suck, plain and simple. Their sports programs suck, the parent support sucks, the coaching sucks, the peer support in the school sucks, the teaching sucks, the education sucks, the facilities often suck. Solution? ... eliminate districts, allow open enrollment in public schools... the best survive. Problems solved. Better yet, talk about this elsewhere.
Truth. Well done!
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:24 pm to UAtide11
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Welcome to America.
If this was our democratic republic society we were talking about, then thats a great argument. But its not. It's an athletic association whose purpose it is to create a competitive environment for its member schools.
yet another apples to oranges comparison. This thread seems to be full of them.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:24 pm to ThaKaptin
MS has public and private leagues. Alabama needs to split
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:27 pm to ThaKaptin
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they need their own division or association.
They have it in Alabama. It's called the AISA. The private schools that are good left, because there is no competition.
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If a private school doesnt engage in these practices
The guy above has already stated it, but everyone that goes to a private school has to be, quote unquote, recruited. There isn't a district, kids aren't forced to go to private schools. How would a private school not "engage" in these practices?
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They can still play regular season games with whoever they want
Not in Alabama. If a private school isn't playing in AHSAA then they cannot play public schools at all. Period. We had to go to Mississippi, Florida, and Louisiana to play public schools.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:27 pm to lsufball19
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what class are you?
2000
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:28 pm to GreyReb
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MS has public and private leagues. Alabama needs to split
It's called the AISA. It's already there. The private schools discussed have satisfied the necessary requirements to participate in athletic events against public schools.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 12:29 pm to ThaKaptin
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But its not. It's an athletic association whose purpose it is to create a competitive environment for its member schools.
Hoover, Clay, Spanish Fort, Prattville, Daphne, Athens have all won state championships recently.
The fact that your favorite school can't compete is unfortunate, but does not suggest that there is a noncompetitive environment.
Of course, you could say that those schools listed also recruit. But that would shoot a giant hole in your argument.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 12:32 pm
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