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re: Private HS's recruiting and giving scholarships competing with public schools
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:34 am to ThaKaptin
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:34 am to ThaKaptin
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Most, sure, but the athletic factory type private schools have money poured into them by boosters just like colleges do. They dont all have to work this way to create an unbalanced competitive atmosphere, just 1 or 2 per division.
so look at new orleans. There are multiple private schools, and a few magnate public schools that can draw throughout the entire parish. That level of competition is unfair compared to say West Monroe and Neville who basically split all of Monroe?
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:35 am to SammyTiger
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Fact of the matter they pick the cream of the corp of the kids forced to go there.
If you don't live in a tiny school district you normally have a ton to choose from.
No recruiting necessary, no effort. Just pick the best kids forced to attend your school by law
And Private schools have a much larger base to choose from.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:35 am to lsufball19
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you think the school pays for all these scholarships?
NO but you aren't making money with sets filled up with nonpaying students.
And paying student generally don't pick a school based on whether some other kid will win it a championship.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:36 am to SammyTiger
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I guarantee you will never run a school
you really dont have a clue on how it is funded or paid for, do you
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:36 am to Brosef Stalin17
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a few even lived with boosters. think Michael ohr type stuff. This is more common amongst public schools than most think
Very common amongst the big public schools in MS. And although MS Catholic schools are usually small, they still participate in the public school athletic association, not private (academies). They normally take who they can get and roll with it, but occasionally a group of boosters will secretly recruit from the local public schools and poach some talent.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:36 am to ThaKaptin
Yeah I agree that if that state allows them to give out scholarships they should be in a different district and have separate playoffs from public schools, but a lot of private schools are really old and have been playing football and the same opponents as long as many universities. So I would definitely think public schools should still be allowed to schedule out of division/conference games with them if for nothing but the history.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:38 am to ThaKaptin
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You mean of the ones that didnt get recruited by the private school with higher paid coaches, more expensive facilities, and better educations?
Your entire argument rests on your belief that the best athletes always get recruited away by private schools, which isn't true.
Hell Daren Bates and Cannon Smith (two D-1 college football players) transferred from a private school to a public school to play football.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:39 am to Snizzzo
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In Ar, private schools are classified in a higher classification than their enrollments would dictate. A lot of the anti-Gust sentiment in NWA are from parents whose kids' teams were beaten by Malzahan's Shiloh Christian by 50+ when their small towns were in the same conference.
It was during his time here I agree. Sadly, not all private schools do this yet they're getting lumped in with the others.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 11:40 am
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:41 am to Taurus 357
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Well, I would counter that with why not?
Well, I would counter with, by your post it seems you didnt
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Only out in the suburban areas
Correct to a degree. School districts in Ohio around the urban areas still have neighborhoods that incorporate for their own districts. The "suburban" school district's, start in a relatively short distance from city center. Like I said earlier, Ohio is a bad example because of the way school funding is done.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:41 am to ThaKaptin
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In my opinion, private schools that recruit in this way should have to play against higher division teams, or even a division of their own.
For private schools to be eligible to play football against public schools in the State of Alabama they use a 1.5 multiplier for their student body.
St. Paul's has no where near the enrollment of Mortimer Jordan. They take their student body number and multiply times 1.5, whatever that number may be is the classification they end up being in.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:42 am to piggilicious
I think it was slightly mentioned here, but hopefully everyone is aware that Gus started his rise at a private school (Shiloh Christian) that dominated their conference for years for this very reason.
They kind of suck now, though (mainly because our public schools up here are really good and have dominant athletic programs, lessening the attraction of Shiloh).
They kind of suck now, though (mainly because our public schools up here are really good and have dominant athletic programs, lessening the attraction of Shiloh).
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:42 am to SammyTiger
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NO but you aren't making money with sets filled up with nonpaying students.
the school still makes money. rich donors pay for a lot of these scholarships, so the school is still making their money. the same type rich donors that donate 4.5 million dollars to build this at a high school of fewer than 500 students
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:43 am to Snizzzo
Arkansas uses a multiplier for private schools... meaning their students count 1.74 towards enrollment instead of 1. This theoretically levels the playing field a little and puts most of them in a higher classification than schools of similar size given their ability to recruit players.
I personally think all private schools should be in their own league but that's just me.
I personally think all private schools should be in their own league but that's just me.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:44 am to UAtide11
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Your entire argument rests on your belief that the best athletes always get recruited away by private schools, which isn't true.
its that they get recruited away. some states or regions allow public schools to do this as well. Then there is always a workaround from the public schools who choose to walk on the line.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:45 am to hogfly
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I think it was slightly mentioned here, but hopefully everyone is aware that Gus started his rise at a private school (Shiloh Christian) that dominated their conference for years for this very reason.
We are aware of arkys hatred of Gus, yes. no need to mention it for the millionth time
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:46 am to lsufball19
Private schools also don't get funding from the state governments either. Their athletics programs are bought and paid for by tuition and private donations.
Let's not act like Public schools are getting the shaft here.
Let's not act like Public schools are getting the shaft here.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:46 am to Taurus 357
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Well, I would counter that with why not? I've always been told that if you play against top level talent that it makes you better. It's the reason that MAC schools and Conference USA schools agree to play Auburn and Bama and LSU and Ohio State and Michigan/State every year.
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apples to oranges
in your example you have schools that are allowed to use the same recruiting practices across the board, they are only limited by their bank roll
in high school athletics there are regulations that restrict public schools from using the same recruiting practices as the private schools regardless of bank roll.
Its not the same by a long shot.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:49 am to ThaKaptin
Well in Louisiana public and private play in their own separate playoffs so that this does not happen. I personally am not very fond of it because it has basically watered down the title of "state champion." Basically if you have any talent on your team at all you are able to at least play in the semis to go to the state championship.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:49 am to ThaKaptin
quote:AJ wasn't on scholarship
I was not aware of that. That makes it not quite so bad. But they still are able to recruit blue chip players where the public schools aren't.
Hell, alabamas last 2 qb's came from that school.
When I was there (mid-2000s) I think there were 4 students on "academic scholarship" in the entire high school.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 11:49 am to lsufball19
Go look at public school stadiums in texas
Hell in New Orleans where Private schools are most prevalent we have to rent from public schools and play on saturdays because they get first dibs on stadiums
But your pictures aren't really useful unless you post names to go along with them.
Hell in New Orleans where Private schools are most prevalent we have to rent from public schools and play on saturdays because they get first dibs on stadiums
But your pictures aren't really useful unless you post names to go along with them.
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