re: Ole Miss student senate votes to remove state flag.

Your questions are pedantic.

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Why did Lincoln wait until after the start of the Civil War to make the emancipation proclamation?

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Here's the timeline of events:

November 6, 1860 - Lincoln elected 16th President of the USA
December 20, 1860 - South Carolina secedes
January 9, 1861 - Mississippi secedes
January 10, 1861 - Florida secedes
January 11, 1861 - Alabama secedes
January 19, 1861 - Georgia secedes
January 26, 1861 - Louisiana secedes
February 1, 1861 - Texas secedes
March 4, 1861 - Lincoln inaugurated
April 12, 1861 - Hostilities begin with the bombardment of Fort Sumter
April 17, 1861 - Virginia secedes
May 6, 1861 - Arkansas secedes
May 20, 1861 - North Carolina secedes
June 8, 1861 - Tennessee secedes

1. By the time Lincoln actually takes office, 7 states have already seceded. By his own words Lincoln's MAIN concern is to hold the Union together. Just over one month after his inauguration, hostilities begin. He didn't have any time "before the war" to proclaim the slaves emancipated.

2. The "proclamation" didn't have any weight of law, and it only applied to those states in rebellion. It was issued as a way to further subvert the southern war effort. The slaves weren't actually freed until the 13th Amendment was ratified.

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Why did the north at the time specifically New Jersey have slaves as well?

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Because, contrary to the Confederate Constitution, the US Constitution left that up to the individual states. Let me spell that out for you: IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA EACH STATE HAD THE RIGHT TO PROHIBIT OR ALLOW SLAVERY, IN THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA, THE STATES DID NOT HAVE THIE RIGHT TO PROHIBIT OR ALLOW SLAVERY.

Are you going to continue to ignore this fact?

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why did the North give the slaves back to the Southern states during the war when they fled across the boarder?

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Because it was THE LAW under the Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850. The southern states had extorted these acts from the northern states to form the Union in the first place. The Federal government wanted to keep the Union whole.

But I assume that, even having answered your question exhaustively, you will deflect, deny and delude yourself.

But remember what the dormouse said:

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Without slavery in the mix the war never happens

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..or was it

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feed your head

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You would be wrong, the South didn't want war but succession

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It's "secession" you drooling neanderthal, and the natural progression from it was war.

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Why did the north have slaves?

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Because in the United States at the time each state had the right to allow or prohibit slavery, a right which the Confederate States of America did not have.

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Why did the emancipation proclamation come 3 years after the war?

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It didn't, it was issued in 1863. The war ended in 1865.

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Why did the north return slaves

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Because it was federal law under the fugitive slave acts. To not return escaped slaves was a federal crime with very harsh sentences.

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You guys want to view the North during this period as some altruistic hero's

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Again, it's "heroes" big guy. And nobody with any knowledge of history views Lincoln or the north as altruistic. Prohibiting slavery was the only way to retain the union due to growing opposition in Congress. Lincoln was far more concerned with keeping the union intact than freeing slaves, it was a means to an end. That doesn't change the fact that it was THE reason why the south seceded.

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the South didn't want war

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You do realize the South literally fired the first shots of the war, right?

Exactly.

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You do realize the South literally fired the first shots of the war, right

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You do realize that was a skirmish and not a battle right?

the Constitution of the United States was the supreme law of the land in these states as a concept.
The seceding states considered that 1. Yes, the Constitution was the supreme law of the land; 2. the Federal government was attempting and had attempted for some time to be usurping and negating aspects of the Constitution, e.g., slavery; and 3. they had a right, a moral right, a civil right and a legal right, to remove themselves from the Union if the Federal government was not going to uphold the Constitution and the laws generated by it.

Even Lincoln said, ""This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." He also said, "What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent."

Further, the Constitution of the United States says in Amendment X, the Bill of Rights,"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The Constitution does not specify that the Union is indivisible, nor does it prohibit a state from withdrawing from the Union of States, therefore, by not including the rights of secession of any state, they are not excluded...or so the thinking went.

As for the overthrow of the Federal government, the States of the south were seceding because they strongly favored the concepts of State's Rights, a position that meant a Federal government that was not all powerful (like today's Federal government). To this extent, the secession of the states was their attempt to move toward State's rights, not an overthrow of the Federal government.

But of course you think its all about slavery.

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You do realize that was a skirmish and not a battle right?

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Holy nitpicking, batman!

You do realize I said the south fired THE FIRST SHOTS, right? Whatever arbitrary label you slap on it does not change the FACT that firing upon a federal installation is an act of WAR.

So don't trot out this weakass "the south didn't want war" bullshite when they literally started it

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Since the majority didn't own slaves and never would, how exactly did they "fight for the right to own slaves"? It was a rich man's war and a poor man's fight.

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Slavery sustained their economy and prevented even the lowest class of whites from being on the bottom of the social ladder.

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Prayers sent for living close to Jonesboro.

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Jonesboro is a good place man.
You should have said Riverdale, Ellenwood and College Park

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Slavery sustained their economy and prevented even the lowest class of whites from being on the bottom of the social ladder.

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Yeah - these 17 year olds all held degrees and fully understood macroeconomics.