re: Ole Miss student senate votes to remove state flag.

Don't be mean and dock him points like that, cyde.

I mean, he went all out in that post. Just seems harsh to not let him slide this time, you know?

I thought ole miss was the racist school. This post says otherwise. Hope chicago writers start writing shite about your school and how racist you are you scum bag prick. Also, i dont give a shite about the school i just care about sports.

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I thought ole miss was the racist school.

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Sad that Ole Miss gets looked at as if they are the most racist school in the SEC. LSU fans are pretty bad.

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Well, he seemed like he really wanted to come across as conservative. Not just "conservative" as we know it, but "burn down the Reichstag and blame it on the commies" conservative. I was merely trying to help make sure he's more su

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What's wrong with cocaine?

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Oh and the answer, because the Confederate Constitution believed in States governing themselves. Slavery was one issue they wanted control over, the other as was in that last document were trade aka tariffs, Political Representation, and Economics. The Confederate body believed that states should govern themselves within there own boarder [sic]. This is the point that so many people miss when looking back at history. There was a lot more going on then just slavery.

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This answer exactly proves my point, thanks. It's all double-speak.


They believed in States governing within their own borders - except that they are forced by the central government to allow the enslavement of human beings within their borders. That is anti-states rights. They are taking away the right for a state to determine for itself whether to allow slavery or not. But not only was that government taking that right away from the states, that government was also anti-individual liberty. I'm sorry your blindness doesn't allow you to see that.

No one said there wasn't anything else going on, that's your own straw man. The point is that the main cause of the War was slavery. It's been proven time and time again, yet you just want to focus on peripheral issues.

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You continue to want to view slavery as the cause for this war

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Because everyone at the time said it was.

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The states succeeding caused the war.

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lulz

Let's go back to the link you posted for a quote:

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The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

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There were no legislation at that time to outlaw slavery

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And there's the crux. There WAS legislation outlawing slavery, but it was in the individual STATES' legislatures, not the central government. Whereas in the CSA, the States didn't have that same right they had in the USA, they HAD to allow slavery according to the central government. Staes' rights my fricking arse.

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Hell the north was sending the slaves back down south.

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The southern states sure wanted to make it seem like they weren't, that the northern, anti-slave states were not abiding by the fugitive slave laws as agreed. That's why it's says this in Georgia's article of secession:

Georgia

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property

Although more often than not the federal government intervened and forced the return slaves to slave states.

Furthermore, the CSA was not advocating a limited role of government. They were not the small government conservatives, or libertarians, of today, they were all for massive government intrusion into individual liberties, the difference was that they thought the individual state governments should be the ones interfering with individual liberties, not the central, federal government. I think that gets lost in todays political climate, the CSA was not a proponent of small government and individual liberties, they only want the oppression to come from the state governments instead of the federal government.

The South was losing power in the Congress, and when a liberal Republican abolitionist was elected to the Executive, they saw the writing on the wall. If they wanted to keep, "the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world", they would have to secede. It's not much more complicated than that.

But, Dude, you have been providing VERY little on the way of evidence to support, you've pontificated and rationalized, while I have provided quotes to source documents. Your position is extremely tenuous in the face of the facts I've presented. Any impartial observer would have to agree.

Dude your a waste of time, you continue to avoid those 3 questions because they disprove your point. Other than cherry picking words on documents, you will always view the entire war about slavery when the scope was more massive then just that one issue.

States governing themselves is what this war was about plan and simple. Slavery was one of many issues that were around and that's historical fact.

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the scope was more massive then just that one issue.

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It really wasn't