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re: Are you really tGOAT coach if you can only win with the very best players
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:00 am to ohsfan281
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:00 am to ohsfan281
Recruiting is a big part of coaching. Saban is a great recruiter and tireless worker, but he beats you with his Jimmy and Joe's, not with the X and O's.
He will go down as one of, if not the greatest college coach ever.....but if you factor in his recruiting classes you cold possible say he has underachieved with the amount of talent at his disposal.
He will go down as one of, if not the greatest college coach ever.....but if you factor in his recruiting classes you cold possible say he has underachieved with the amount of talent at his disposal.
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:00 am to Patton
Not sure. When you refer to gameday coaching are you referring to getting skull fricked by arky 30-0 and tcu looking like they took an overdose of viagra on you in the bowl game.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:02 am to Oddibe
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Recruiting is a big part of coaching. Saban is a great recruiter and tireless worker, but he beats you with his Jimmy and Joe's, not with the X and O's.
He will go down as one of, if not the greatest college coach ever.....but if you factor in his recruiting classes you cold possible say he has underachieved with the amount of talent at his disposal.
This is all I am saying. He has more talent in almost every game he enters. If you have more talent and lose is it not fall back on the Coaches? Then he would be getting out coached by coaches with lesser talent.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:03 am to coachcrisp
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but a lot of coaches have won nationally championships without having the number one recruiting class every single year like Saban does
name the coaches who have won national championships that haven't consistently recruited at an elite level
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:05 am to ohsfan281
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if he hsd zero or even one national championship, nobody would consider him a candidate for greatest coach of all time
Yeah well he's got four. So go play make believe somewhere else.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:07 am to lsufball19
For all Saban's recruiting prowess, he also only has one undefeated season in his entire career. This goes back to the point that a lot of his national championships required a decent amount of luck. I personally view Saban as one of the luckier coaches of all time more than one of the greatest coaches of all time
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:08 am to ohsfan281
This is why you should have to reach 500 posts before you can start a thread.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:10 am to HottyToddy7
quote:...and this is the most important part of coaching, dumbass! Even talent won't allow you to win every game. You can only recruit 25 kids a year...many teams have great talent, and on a given day can beat the slightly more talented team.
He has more talent in almost every game he enters..
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:11 am to BearBait09
I have seen some of your threads and most of them still sucked even after your 500th post
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:12 am to HottyToddy7
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I said before the game that Saban is overrated as a game day coach. Great recruiter but not great on gameday.
His greatest strength in building a team and program is his stubbornness: you do it my way and no other. But it occasionally bites him on game day when he refuses to make adjustments.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:12 am to ohsfan281
The best players want to play for the best coaches. It isn't Saban's fault that his continued success brings more and more of the best recruits.
He's one of the best college coaches of all time. There's no doubt about it.
He's one of the best college coaches of all time. There's no doubt about it.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:14 am to ohsfan281
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For all Saban's recruiting prowess, he also only has one undefeated season in his entire career
Nick Saban, Urban Meyer (Utah), Chris Peterson (Boise), Bob Stoops, Gary Patterson and Jimbo Fisher are the only current coaches with any undefeated seasons. Chris Peterson and Urban Meyer are the only coaches with multiple undefeated seasons, and Meyer went undefeated without a conference championship game or bowl game in 2012 at Ohio St. So what exactly is your point?
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 10:17 am
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:15 am to Oddibe
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he beats you with his Jimmies and Joe's, not with the X and O's.
Wait, Saban beats people with his Jimmies?
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:15 am to ohsfan281
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I personally view Saban as one of the luckier coaches of all time more than one of the greatest coaches of all time
Dude has been on the receiving end of kick six, cam back (the fumble that stayed inbounds), flukey JFF, and now flukey Swag. He's definitely had some incredible bad luck over the years.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:16 am to DBU
I hate Nick Saban, but he's one of the best ever. Not really debatable.
*if* he only had 1-2 maybe it'd be different. But he's got 4, so that point is stupid
*if* he only had 1-2 maybe it'd be different. But he's got 4, so that point is stupid
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:17 am to lsufball19
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Nick Saban, Urban Meyer (Utah), Chris Peterson (Boise), Bob Stoops, Gary Patterson and Jimbo Fisher are the only current coaches with any undefeated seasons. Chris Peterson is the only coach with multiple undefeated seasons. So what exactly is your point?
Don't forget about Chiz
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:18 am to VFL1800FPD
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Don't forget about Chiz
he's not a current head coach
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:19 am to coachcrisp
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...and this is the most important part of coaching, dumbass!
Hence my post that said he was a great recruiter but lacked some on gameday.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:20 am to lsufball19
Thanks for proving my point. Jimbo Fisher has only been a head coach for about 4 years and he already has as many undefeated seasons as Saban does in 20 years. Gene Chizik also has as many undefeated seasons as Saban. More proof he is not one of the greatest coaches of all time
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:21 am to HottyToddy7
Well his lack of game day coaching hasn't prevented him from winning four national titles.
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