re: Catholic couple fined $13,000 for refusing to host same-sex ‘wedding’

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my personal property

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It's your personal property being leased to a commercial enterprise presumably free of charge to then be rented to clients. Unless you sold the property to your corporation, which would be stupid. But once you're engaging in commercial enterprise, it's no longer legally protected as private property.

I don't want fat people getting married on my farm. Sue me. Oh wait, fat people aren't as protected as gays. No fair for them.

Get off my lawn.


Seriously though, I would have just told them the farm was unable to accommodate them 3 weeks prior to the event. The farm owners are the real victims here.

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I missed the earlier trich analogy. I have to admit, that's a good one that as a business owner I have no good answer for. Except maybe one: I wouldn't be "infecting" anyone regardless of my reasons for denying service, especially when the couple could get married at many other places in the same locale. But I do admit the "private property" argument took a big hit here.

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This young buck has got a few tricks up his sleeve, old man.

Now I can actually get to the higher level discussions as to why the "why not just used the one down the road" argument isn't legally acceptable. Unless you can see that's inherently the same as "why don't just use the water fountain down the road, this one is for whites only". Separate but equal is inherently unequal. Of course all of this could be avoided if you could find a legitimate reason to not get them married other than them being gay. They are simply renting your venue. Their gay marriage dollars are the same jewish marriage dollars or hindu marriage dollars, or interacial marriage dollars, or atheist marriage dollars.

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Seriously though, I would have just told them the farm was unable to accommodate them 3 weeks prior to the event.

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That would work in one instance, maybe, but if a pattern of refusals to one protected group develops then you're fricked.

So Bass is saying his own sexuality isn't an immutable characteristic? Explain to me how he believes that sexuality is changeable unless he knows for a fact himself that his own sexuality is changeable. The only way for him to be right is to keep sucking dicks until he enjoys it.

He went to one of those pray away the gay camps.

A business should be able to choose who they want to do business with. If you want to buy crack from me and I think you might be a cop, then I should have the right to tell you go suck a-hole

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Bass you ignorant slut.

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Solid SNL reference there

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I don't give a damn about gays or any other marginalized group.

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I didn't either really til a friend of mine growing up came out to a bunch of us in a group text a couple years ago and basically said he survived a suicide attempt. I find the idea of two guys banging weird and gross, but I've tried to stop saying **** and be aware of my own terrible attitude toward something I didn't really understand.

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I just look at this from the perspective of a business owner who has worked pretty damn hard to build up his business and wonders why I can't say "No" to somebody regardless of my reasons (not that I have ever considered it, at least to Americans). But that argument kinda sorta falls apart if you substitute "black" for "gay".

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Agreed. People talk around that, as obviously the things the black community has gone through will never compare to the gays, but they are still groups that can be discriminated against.

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In this particular case it sure sounds like the lesbo couple was prepared for a lawsuit from the get-go. That's pretty fricked up. But bigger picture yeah, I can kinda sorta get it now.

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I want to know at what point in the process they were told they couldn't use the venue, if there was a company that handled all the operations and or if it was just the couple that owned it the entire time.

What would happen if the owner just said "I find what you are doing to be grossly offensive. You disgust me, but you can rent the farm"?

Wouldnt that piss off the gay people enough to take their business elsewhere? Boorish I know, but wouldnt be legally violating would it?