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Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:32 am to Stonehog
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:32 am to Stonehog
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quote: Race is an immutable characteristic. Homosexuality isn't Bass you ignorant slut.
You wanna take a swing at the Anne Heche question? Neither of the other champions of protected classes has.
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:34 am to TeLeFaWx
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So Bass is saying his own sexuality isn't an immutable characteristic? Explain to me how he believes that sexuality is changeable unless he knows for a fact himself that his own sexuality is changeable. The only way for him to be right is to keep sucking dicks until he enjoys it.
For someone as enlightened as yourself, you seem to use gay behavior as an ad hominem attack pretty regularly. It would be weird if it wasn't so predictable.
And no, I don't view my own sexuality as immutable. Not sure why you thought that would be a trap question.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:40 am to the808bass
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And no, I don't view my own sexuality as immutable
So your sexual preference could change? Interesting.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 8:41 am
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:42 am to Stonehog
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So you're sexual preference could change? Interesting.
*your
It's a consistent position philosophically. I'm sure that's what has you baffled.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:46 am to the808bass
The frick happened here? 
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:46 am to the808bass
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It's a consistent position philosophically.
Nah.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:52 am to Roger Klarvin
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The frick happened here?
We're learning a lot about Bass. He's claiming that he could go to bed straight, but wake up in a fiesta of black dicks and he would be fine with that. It's philosophically consistent.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:55 am to Stonehog
Laffed.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:57 am to the808bass
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You wanna take a swing at the Anne Heche question? Neither of the other champions of protected classes has.
Michael Jackson switched teams. Race is not immutable. Your argument falls apart.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 8:58 am to the808bass
What's the Anne Heche question?
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:05 am to Stonehog
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What's the Anne Heche question?
the fact that Anne Heche was straight, went gay, then went back straight. the idea is that sexuality is not a constant like race, but something that individual has the ability to act upon willingly.
i think it gives credence to the idea that somebody does willingly choose to pursue a homosexual lifestyle, but does not prove that people are not born with a disposition towards a homosexual lifestyle.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:06 am to 3nOut
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the fact that Anne Heche was straight, went gay, then went back straight. the idea is that sexuality is not a constant like race, but something that individual has the ability to act upon willingly.
That's not a question.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:06 am to Stonehog
In order to be a protected class, the characteristic that is used for discrimination has to be immutable.
For the people who have "switched teams" (both ways), which side of the fence is valid for the purposes of a determining if their protected status is valid.
So, let's say one of the lesbians in this scenario decides that she really likes men 5 years from now. Does that change the lawsuit? Or would she still be able to be lesbian for the purpose of a lawsuit while engaged in a heterosexual relationship based upon her proclamation of homosexuality alone?
For the people who have "switched teams" (both ways), which side of the fence is valid for the purposes of a determining if their protected status is valid.
So, let's say one of the lesbians in this scenario decides that she really likes men 5 years from now. Does that change the lawsuit? Or would she still be able to be lesbian for the purpose of a lawsuit while engaged in a heterosexual relationship based upon her proclamation of homosexuality alone?
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 9:11 am
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:12 am to the808bass
Against my better judgement, I'm going to do a drive by. I can't believe this thread is still going.
Did society/government not come up with the concept of protected class? It is not like the definition is set is stone from God/Jesus/Allah/FSM/Higher Power but by the courts and law makers. So...why couldn't it change based simply upon identification with a sexual orientation?
Since "we" made the definition to begin with, "we" can change it.
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In order to be a protected class, the characteristic that is used for discrimibation has to be immutable.
Did society/government not come up with the concept of protected class? It is not like the definition is set is stone from God/Jesus/Allah/FSM/Higher Power but by the courts and law makers. So...why couldn't it change based simply upon identification with a sexual orientation?
Since "we" made the definition to begin with, "we" can change it.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:13 am to the808bass
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For the people who have "switched teams" (both ways), which side of the fence is valid for the purposes of a determining if they're protected status is valid.
You'll understand the issue better If you think of human sexuality as a spectrum instead of just gay or straight.
Anne Heche is a terrible example by the way, when she went out with Ellen no one believed she was really a lesbian. SNL even had a sketch where Chris Kattan played Heche and she kept mispronouncing lesbian and calling herself a lesbodian.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:17 am to Duke
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Since "we" made the definition to begin with, "we" can change it.
But there's good reason for discrimination laws to be based on immutable characteristics. To change the definition makes the legal idea of discrimination and protected classes a farce (hint: like it is now).
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:20 am to Stonehog
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Anne Heche is a terrible example by the way, when she went out with Ellen no one believed she was really a lesbian.
It is convenient to your argument to simply toss out the outliers or to pretend they're not even really legitimate examples. It doesn't answer the question. Change it from Ann Heche to Female A.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:25 am to the808bass
So your question is can someone pretend to be gay to win a lawsuit. I suppose they could try, but if you recall this was a two year scenario. I'm sure they confirmed these ladies were actually lesbians and not just faking it.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:26 am to Stonehog
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So your question is can someone pretend to be gay to win a lawsuit. I suppose they could try, but if you recall this was a two year scenario. I'm sure they confirmed these ladies were actually lesbians and not just faking it.
So we DO want the government in our bedrooms? And I can 100% guarantee you there's no legal mechanism for "confirming" someone is gay.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:31 am to the808bass
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And I can 100% guarantee you there's no legal mechanism for "confirming" someone is gay.
Ok. I guess we're about to see a bunch of frivolous lawsuits involving people pretending to be gay so they can get embroiled in a legal battle lasting several years so they could possibly win $3,000.
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