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re: Catholic couple fined $13,000 for refusing to host same-sex ‘wedding’
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:19 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:19 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Agreed. But you've stated over and over and over again private property rights as well...
I have, I feel that the law violates private property rights. But it's a moot point, seeing as I don't live in New York and my opinion doesn't matter.
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:19 pm to auggie
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The gay couple has the right to get married on a farm,nobody says they can't, but why does it need to be that specific one?
Because that particular farm is running a business to allow legal couples to marry there. The lesbians in the example chose to marry on that farm. Gay marriage is legal in New York.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:21 pm to auggie
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Laws that violate a person's individual rights are illegal laws.
No individual rights are being violated other than the lesbian couple's civil rights. It's a commercial transaction. How do people getting married violate those owner's freedom of religion in any way?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:21 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I have, I feel that the law violates private property rights.
In what way? They are renting their property for commercial use.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:23 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I have, I feel that the law violates private property rights. But it's a moot point, seeing as I don't live in New York and my opinion doesn't matter.
None of our opinions in this forum matter since we don't live in New York. It's fun to discuss, though.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:24 pm to TeLeFaWx
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How do people getting married violate those owner's freedom of religion in any way?
This question probably betrays the fundamental disconnect between your idea of religion and the way devout people practice religion.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:28 pm to the808bass
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This question probably betrays the fundamental disconnect between your idea of religion and the way devout people practice religion.
They practice their religion by renting out their barn every weekend to make cash? If you think practicing commerce and practicing religion are the same thing you're a sick and twisted frick.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:32 pm to TeLeFaWx
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They are renting their property for commercial use.
I also own a beach house which I rent for commercial use, I do have the right to refuse a renter wishing to use my property to film an Interracial gay gangbang porno, do I not?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:32 pm to TeLeFaWx
You're merely underscoring your disconnect. I didn't expect you to suddenly get it. Repeating your misunderstanding with different wording doesn't make it better.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:34 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I do have the right to refuse a renter wishing to use my property to film an Interracial gay gangbang porno, do I not?
Of course. Filming anything on your property without your consent could totally be drawn up in your rental agreement.
You couldn't refuse them simply because they were black however, and if the state protects the homos, you couldn't refuse them for that either.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:36 pm to the808bass
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You're merely underscoring your disconnect.
Not really.
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I didn't expect you to suddenly get it.
That your definition of devout is actively trying to stop gays from getting married? Yeah I totally get that.
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Repeating your misunderstanding with different wording doesn't make it better.
Nope. Nothing is being misunderstood.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:37 pm to TeLeFaWx
I see it as violating his freedom to demonstrate his opinions, that would fall under freedom of expression IMO.
The Lesbians should be allowed to picket his farm, call for boycotts, whatever, but for the government to fine him is absolutely wrong.
The Lesbians should be allowed to picket his farm, call for boycotts, whatever, but for the government to fine him is absolutely wrong.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:38 pm to TeLeFaWx
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You couldn't refuse them simply because they were black however, and if the state protects the homos, you couldn't refuse them for that either.
Pretty sure NC doesn't protect the homos.
So you're agreeing that I can refuse service based upon the intentions of the prospective customers on my personal property?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:41 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I also own a beach house which I rent for commercial use, I do have the right to refuse a renter wishing to use my property to film an Interracial gay gangbang porno, do I not?
For being more specific. You have the right to be black and not be treated any different commercially. One private property, you can be as racist as you want, but not in the market place. You also have the right to be jewish, or handicapped, or eldery. Your money is just as good as a WASPs. I also believe you have the right to be gay in the market place. That's what this story is an example of. That's why it is discrimination just like blacks in motels in the south, or the Irish applying for jobs. Your sexuality is not relevant in the market. You shouldn't have the ability to force your religious beliefs on others in the market.
That's my opinion anyway.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:41 pm to Patton
I mean you can't force anyone to do anything, but at the same time, anyone who does that kind of thing is just a dumbass
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:45 pm to TeLeFaWx
No one is forcing their beliefs on you. They just don't want gays as clients or to hold their gay ceremony there. Should they have to serve the needs of satanists too. Aren't they one of your protected classes?
I wish the lez couple would have been black. Jesse and Al seem bored.
I wish the lez couple would have been black. Jesse and Al seem bored.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:48 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I can refuse service based upon the intentions of the prospective customers
Based on the intentions? If the intentions come true and you have legal standing to disallow such an event that is unrelated to the commerce you're engaging, sure. You couldn't say, "see this wedding venue listed for couples to get married in? If you have the intent of getting married in it, then I won't rent it to you because I disagree with you being a black man marrying a white woman" as that is the commerce you are involved in, and civil rights are protected.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:48 pm to roadGator
Question about Gay weddings :
Do we have to participate in the anal sex or can we just watch and cheer in a fireman's hat?
Do we have to participate in the anal sex or can we just watch and cheer in a fireman's hat?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:51 pm to auggie
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I see it as violating his freedom to demonstrate his opinions, that would fall under freedom of expression IMO.
The Constitution guarantees you the right to express your opinions as you wish. You can, as an individual, freely discriminate against anyone. A business in the market place, however, does not have this right.
How many different ways does it need to be said? Individuals can discriminate. It's your right. Businesses can't. That's the law.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:51 pm to roadGator
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Aren't they one of your protected classes?
Freedom of religion and what not. If you are in the business of renting out venues for parties and ceremonies, then you're the one that has to deal with that. If you have a problem with respecting people's religious differences, get in a different business.
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