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re: Gotta chime in on some of the "observations"...

Posted on 9/1/14 at 3:19 pm to
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 3:19 pm to
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Why the hell are you getting so many down votes?


Haters gonna hate, ignorance, my terse and/or arrogant tone, the tl;dr crowd, not toeing the party line of negativity, making some folks begin to see how simply and illogically they view the game and they don't take to kindly, just because, post count, many more douches use those buttons than quality posters...

Take your pick
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted by bamabenny
Member since Nov 2009
14640 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 3:44 pm to
Nah, it's probably because you come off as a pretentious douche.

JMO though
Posted by crimsonian
Florida
Member since Jun 2012
7374 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 3:53 pm to
Agreed and he is wrong in his OP.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:08 pm to
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Nah, it's probably because you come off as a pretentious douche.

JMO though


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Agreed and he is wrong in his OP.


All jimmies rustled were made so purposely. And if you fellas wanna go out back and make out, it's cool by me. I'm open minded. I'll be over here discussing football intelligently.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:09 pm to
I'm down for a good ole discussion about the WCO and how it'll evolve for us over the course of the season. As long as it remains civil.
Posted by crimsonian
Florida
Member since Jun 2012
7374 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:12 pm to
And you wonder why you get down votes.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:13 pm to
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As long as it remains civil.


It will. We're all just poking our chests out a little. No harm done.

Roll Tide to all.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:14 pm to
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And you wonder why you get down votes.


Another guy wondered why. I know perfectly well why and gave the reasons. Get yer facts straight.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 4:16 pm
Posted by Recruitingjunkie
Member since Jan 2014
3059 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:20 pm to
Around 13:30
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Sylve did not have a bad game, and all you folks who are decrying him for not turning his head to find the ball don't understand playing db, don't understand the technique Saban teaches, and likely never played the game.



Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:22 pm to
Standing behind every word.

But I should say here that "...all you folks..." includes some posters on another board and also a friend of mine. I grouped everyone together, and only want to post on this board. Sorry about that.

Also, I'm not saying Sylve had a great game, just not nearly as bad as some are saying.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:37 pm to
Welp that does it for me. I'm sure that will be corrected or just maybe Sylve will be on the bench. Either way i'm encouraged.
Posted by crimsonian
Florida
Member since Jun 2012
7374 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 4:54 pm to
BOOM!!!

Like I said OP was wrong.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 4:56 pm
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32652 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 5:39 pm to
Preach brotha

I like this guy
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 6:08 pm to
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Sylve did not have a bad game


Thanks for stating this up front...saved me the time I would have spent reading the whole post.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 6:13 pm to
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Around 13:30


Great find. So, in Saban's words, the OP was completely wrong about how CBs are taught to play the ball.

The only thing missing form the video clip was a bag of Golden Flake.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 6:14 pm to
quote:

prevatt33
Gotta chime in on some of the "observations"...
Standing behind every word.


Even after Saban basically said that you're wrong?

Ok.
Posted by UAFanFromNOLA
NOLA
Member since Dec 2011
4882 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 6:16 pm to
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Sylve did not have a bad game, and all you folks who are decrying him for not turning his head to find the ball don't understand playing db, don't understand the technique Saban teaches, and likely never played the game.

Turning your head to find the ball is a LUXURY that you take advantage of if the route/throw affords you the time and you get the signal early enough from the receiver to do so. WV was not running those kinds of routes. It was all 1-step and 3-step drops, no long developing routes, and a few broken plays. Sylve and the other db's had TIGHT coverage on nearly every completion (not counting crossing stuff, that's another topic).
Well, RecruitingJunkie has already addressed this with the Saban press conference. Needless to say, Saban has a different opinion on what they should be doing.
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Sylve will be fine. And you f@ckers clamoring for the freshman DB's to start make me sick. Sure, they'll be stars one day, but if Sylve and Jones were in position nearly all night cause they KNOW THE D inside and out, what are freshman gonna do?. Put Humphrey, Brown, or Jones in full time and THEN you'll see folks running free. Can't cover 'em if you don't know what to do. Knowledge of Saban's D is much higher on the list of keys to success than sheer physical talent.
Sylve clearly was not having a good game. Even if you didn't want to put in one of the freshmen to see what they could do, why not put in Maurice Smith who has played in the system for a year already? Why continue to rely on someone who is consistently getting beat?
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Secondly, we were getting outschemed in the first half because we were playing bump and run on the slot guy and playing off the outside receiver. Then in the second half, we started playing bump coverage on the outside man, and only gave up 6 points in the second half.
I haven't watched all of the second half again, but from what I have watched, Bradley Sylve was running bump and run and getting beaten. Playing bump and run when your CB is outmatched typically won't work well for you. That is why we were running zone initially. All of their big plays in the second half came against him. He simply wasn't having a good game.
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Sims had an excellent day overall. Completed 73% for 250, had command all night, and couldn't be touched in the pocket.
Let's not rewrite history. He had a good game, but his WRs made him look better than he was. Really, I would say the success in the passing game was a result of Lane Kiffin finding ways to get his playmakers in space than Blake Sims doing anything great. There was a great stat where he was 1/5 on throws of 15+ yards. That needs to be better if we are in tight games. He played well and took care of the ball for the most part, but saying he played excellently is hyperbole.
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Right now, Sims gives us the best option to win. That is a fact.
You can't say that because we haven't seen Coker play yet.

ETA: I for the most part agree with the rest of your post.

I thought that when we started to successfully defend the run, they struggled quite a bit more.

Another observation I have is that half the time they dropped the ball, they were going over the middle and about to get lit up by a safety. Perry and Collins pulled up about 3 times in the second half because the receiver dropped the ball.

This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 6:32 pm
Posted by angryslugs
Member since Apr 2008
10186 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 6:49 pm to
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There was a great stat where he was 1/5 on throws of 15+ yards.


I believe when they gave this stat Christian Jones had dropped two of these over 15 yard throws. 3/5 with a TD looks a lot better if he just catches the ball.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:05 pm to
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Even after Saban basically said that you're wrong?


Sorry, was working and did not have a chance to actually watch the video. I actually thought it was a link to something else.

Yes, I still stand by my words, but I'm man enough to admit when I'm partially wrong. I did not know Saban taught "playing the ball" as an automatic once the db gets "in phase" with the WR. I was under the impression that the key for that was a combo of situational and reading the WR eyes. I was wrong there.

However, I maintain that Saban's own words in that video support my implication that "playing the ball" is not always possible. But if Saban teaches it to be automatic upon getting in phase, so be it. Sylve should've turned around a few times, no doubt. I was wrong.

Nonetheless, I still maintain that Sylve did not play horribly. He's got some stuff to work on, no doubt. But I do take exception to words like "horrible" being thrown around. I prefer to support our guys and be a little more glass half full kind of guy.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 7:09 pm
Posted by MykTide
Member since Jul 2012
25472 posts
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:33 pm to
Some of the original post was decent. Then I got here...

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3) Our LB's did not play well in pass coverage. Mostly related to communication issues. Many or most of the crossing stuff was played correctly by the DB's. Ragland, Depriest, and CO. gave little to no help in the middle of the field.



...and couldn't take it seriously any more.


ETA: Unless, of course, you meant DePriest gave no help because he wasn't in the game. Which I don't think you did.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 7:37 pm
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