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Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:31 am to NYCAuburn
There's no metric that completely encapsulates how hard it is to gain entrance to a school. Acceptance rates and school rankings are a good place to start though. You just say nope Auburn's harder to get into without offering any support. 
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:31 am to Old Money
It's a game schools play to up their rankings. And more power to them. It's a business/marketing decision.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:32 am to Crimson G
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There's no metric that completely encapsulates how hard it is to gain entrance to a school. Acceptance rates and school rankings are a good place to start though. You just say nope Auburn's harder to get into without offering any support.
You can't be this obtuse. Seriously.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:33 am to Crimson G
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Much harder to get into Ohio state than bama, who has a lower acceptance rate
Exactly - these rankings can be manipulated for various purposes (rankings, PR, etc)
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Not only is Bama's acceptance rate lower by 20%, but Bama is higher in the rankings that most people look to: USNWR.
USNWR is a joke. Would you like me to link 10-15 articles that back up my opinion?
IMO, collegiate rankings should place more emphasis on how well a university graduates their students & their alumni's post graduate success (retention, ROI, endowment/giving, starting & mid-career earning levels, nationally competitive awards, etc) than the successes a student has in high school (ACT, high school GPA, etc)
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Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:35 am to NYCAuburn
I wasn't aware that Bama had clearly defined cut-off. You sure about that?
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:35 am to NYCAuburn
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It's a game schools play to up their rankings. And more power to them. It's a business/marketing decision.
Exactly. At the end of the day attending any large state university will give you access to careers you had no way of getting into before. It's what you make of your degree/connections you make in the real world that help you out in life. Comparing acceptance rates, scholarships, demographic's is pointless. Post Grad salary and cost of attendance are the 2 figures that really matter the most.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:37 am to GeorgeReymond
quote:USNWR uses a lot of that data in their algorithm.
IMO, collegiate rankings should place more emphasis on graduating their students and their students post graduate success (retention, endowment, starting & mid career earning levels, nationally competitive awards)
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:42 am to Crimson G
Since you want to continue, let's break it down
Let me ask you this, what is the main criteria schools used to decide to admit a perspective student? Is it stats, like gpa, test scores, class rank, etc...? Seems like the best metric and one that defines how hard it is to me
What "hardness" does acceptance rate judge upon? Number of applications? So in this case the skill involved here is filling out an application. I'm not sure about you, but it wasn't that hard
I'm not even going to touch this one, but do you think school ranking such as us news rank hardness to get in, with what you are stating?
I pointed out the obvious fallacy of the argument, with examples, I guess you glanced over that
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There's no metric that completely encapsulates how hard it is to gain entrance to a school
Let me ask you this, what is the main criteria schools used to decide to admit a perspective student? Is it stats, like gpa, test scores, class rank, etc...? Seems like the best metric and one that defines how hard it is to me
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Acceptance rates
What "hardness" does acceptance rate judge upon? Number of applications? So in this case the skill involved here is filling out an application. I'm not sure about you, but it wasn't that hard
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school rankings are a good place to start though
I'm not even going to touch this one, but do you think school ranking such as us news rank hardness to get in, with what you are stating?
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You just say nope Auburn's harder to get into without offering any support.
I pointed out the obvious fallacy of the argument, with examples, I guess you glanced over that
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Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:44 am to Crimson G
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:45 am to Crimson G
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USNWR uses a lot of that data in their algorithm.
They use grad rate, not the other, small percentage though.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:50 am to NYCAuburn
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USNWR
No one outside of the admissions office's at schools give a shite about this joke. Humble brag rankings.
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 12:51 am
Posted on 6/21/14 at 12:53 am to Old Money
Even more so considering data is provided by the university. And not questioned.
I'll be the first to admit, there isn't one ranking that is perfect. However, using its ranking and acceptance rate, is not a judge of a schools "hardness" to get into, by any means.
I'll be the first to admit, there isn't one ranking that is perfect. However, using its ranking and acceptance rate, is not a judge of a schools "hardness" to get into, by any means.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 1:04 am to NYCAuburn
Agree 100%.
I recently found "Academic Rankings of World Universities" and like how they put colleges into tiers (100-149, 150-199) plus their methodology is one of the best I've seen.
I also like Forbes & how they focus on post-graduate success but I don't agree on some of their criteria (RateMyProfessor.com) .
I recently found "Academic Rankings of World Universities" and like how they put colleges into tiers (100-149, 150-199) plus their methodology is one of the best I've seen.
I also like Forbes & how they focus on post-graduate success but I don't agree on some of their criteria (RateMyProfessor.com) .
Posted on 6/21/14 at 5:36 am to Crimson G
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Either way, he claimed UGA is "much harder" to get into and I'm not seeing anything that supports that
I do not have any links, or stats to give you.
and not really sure acceptance rate factors.
If its simply percentage accepted by applied? then ok. there are more and more kids that know/ assume that they cannot get into UGA these days.
My statement earlier goes to real life examples.
I live in a NW metro area of Atlanta, that has really good public schools and private schools. and the trend out of there is simple.
students with less than a 3.9 and 1300 math/verbal do not even apply to UGA now.
the early acceptance for UGA , from what i've been told , from students put on the wait list, the cut line the last 2 years for Nov acceptance letters has been a min of 4.0, with some ap classes and 1390+ math/verbal.
most of the students in this area that do not get into UGA, tell me that they got early acceptance to AU, UA, or Ole Miss
That's just the trend here.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 5:47 am to GeorgeReymond
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I have a friend who scored in the mid 20's but did well on his writing portion & basically got a full
Maybe at LSU but not at Bama. No 32... no ride.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 5:56 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Robert Witt planned it that way.
Can't believe UA let the system board hire him away. Hopefully Bonner is able to continue his work. UA is so much better now than it was 10 years ago.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:45 am to Dawgnational
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Why does University of Alabama have so many out of state students?
Bandwagon fans. Front runners. Saban doing work.
Take your pick.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:22 am to Sid E Walker
The circumstances in the states of Georgia and Texas help explain the recent surge in out of state students attending Ole Miss, UA and Ala. The Hope program, combined with Georgia/Atlanta's vast increase in population, have raised the standards for UGA. This denies many, many qualified students from attending a major state university. The other in state option GaTech is off limits to most students so they look to other attractive state universities.
Texas instituted the Automatic Top 10 per cent acceptance rule for Texas and A&M, meaning a lot of Dallas and Houston kids, as well as private school kids are frozen out of those schools. Thus, Ole Miss is now teaming with well qualified Texas and Georgia kids. The schools love it since it brings in revenue and raises their academic standards.
Texas instituted the Automatic Top 10 per cent acceptance rule for Texas and A&M, meaning a lot of Dallas and Houston kids, as well as private school kids are frozen out of those schools. Thus, Ole Miss is now teaming with well qualified Texas and Georgia kids. The schools love it since it brings in revenue and raises their academic standards.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:52 am to Crimson G
I don't think we're on the level of Texas or Florida (how could we be, that applicant pool is unreal), but we're definitively better Auburn and Bama academically. I'm not even trying to come off as a dick and not trying to create an argument, but you don't need to compare acceptance rates to know this. Acceptance rate is an extremely narrow stat that merely makes for good press. This is common knowledge. Those schools are certainly not bad and they certainly have their programs (AU engineering comes to mind, Bama law has come on strong recently depending on the ranking you look at), but, on the whole, Bama is not on our level or even very close right now.
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