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Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:25 am to NIH
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:25 am to Libertyabides71
I've seen people make fun of you for how mad you get . I can see now what they are talking about...
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:29 am to Libertyabides71
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He is saying you've always recruited well, which isn't true.
Who is saying that?
Our recruiting has always been inconsistent. Good one year, so-so the next, etc. It's been that way ever since about the 1980's.
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Even with the 2013 where you landed a few big names your class was not very deep.
I disagree, based on the fact that several freshmen saw legit playing time this year. There's a common misconception that the 2013 class was three guys and then a bunch of filler, which simply isn't the case at all.
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Common sense (and the patterns of other recruiting scandals of the past including Alabama from personal experience) dictates when you land a class of 3 stars and then 1 or 2 super elite guys that is a definite red flag.
What you call "common sense" I call "bullshite opinions borne out of fan biases."
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If as you say Freeze is a top recruiter, Ole Miss is a top destination would you guys not be landing classes that look like ours since 2008?
Where'd I say this?
I think Freeze is a top recruiter, and I think Ole Miss is a great destination, but until we start winning like LSU, Bama, Florida, etc., we're not going to have the classes those schools have. I think most Ole Miss fans fully understand this.
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Saying Ole Miss is cheating in no way implies anyone else is clean. It is saying in relative terms y'all are doing something special to pick off one or two guys a cycle. That is what gets teams in trouble. Speaking from experience.
Well until you know what it is we're doing and have evidence to support it, what you're going by is mere speculation and hearsay. Don't get upset when people don't take speculation and hearsay seriously.
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If everything was perfectly legit you would be signing classes that are filled with the same caliber of athlete not top heavy.
How do you figure? I'm not sure how this is a logical conclusion.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:29 am to DCRebel
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:43 am to UMTigerRebel
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Are you trying to say Briarcrest is a tiny Christian school?
For a Christian School it is very large (~1600 students k-12), I meant schools with big time high school programs in general. Briarcrest (also name/mascot changed) has more students in k-12 than Prattville school, the school I used in my example, does in 9-12. (400 students per class vs 125 per class average). Alabama has exceptionally small school populations compared to surrounding states. (Tennessee/Georgia/Texas). A typical rural Alabama county may have 5-8 Alabama 2A/3A high schools (200-400 daily enrollment 9-12). We did not go through the consolidation binge of the other Southern States in the 80s (for the most part)
Briarcrest if a public Alabama school would be an Alabama 5A school (2nd largest classification). And a smaller than average one at that. I don't know Tennessee's rule but our privates that compete in public have to treat each student in the average daily enrollment as 1.5 students. This is to movement private schools up slightly (because they can technically recruit). If Briarcrest was an Alabama Private School that competed in the AHSAA they would be still be 5A, just an average sized one.
So for the school size I am used to when dealing with schools in Alabama it is fairly large. I meant in relation with Tennessee public high schools.
How I arrived at the number
1600 (Briarcrest stated enrollment), divided by 13 grades, multiplied by 4 (only count 9-12 for classification purposes). This got an estimated average daily enrollment. Which I compared to the AHSAA numbers (because the average Alabama high school is little compared to say Tennesee.)
Damn crunching those numbers it is a big school for a private school. Being that it is in suburban Memphis and is the consolidation of most of the set ups by the cities Baptist churches that makes sense.
But still not a place you expect the normal jump from high school. Springdale (Malzahn's last high school gig) has an enrollment over 1800 in just 4 grades.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:32 am to Libertyabides71
You are so wrong that you're using a coach's high school size to make your argument. You tried again to make the argument that we never have talent and aren't improving by going back to 2008 when we finished second in the west and top 20 in recruiting under Houston fricking Nutt a far inferior recruiter to Freeze. You're so stupid that its comical at this point.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:56 am to DMagic
This is just a joke. He can't be real...
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:56 am to DMagic
How am I wrong exactly? I referred to Briarcrest as a tiny, Christian school and while it is big for a private school it little compared to a Memphis public.
But yes you guys have never recruited consistently well your own guys admit that. And hiring a high school coach from the Memphis Cesspool who was coaching a transfer who got adopted by Ole Miss boosters has never seemed dirty to you?
But yes you guys have never recruited consistently well your own guys admit that. And hiring a high school coach from the Memphis Cesspool who was coaching a transfer who got adopted by Ole Miss boosters has never seemed dirty to you?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:03 am to Libertyabides71
No you stupid motherfricker YOU SAID THAT. You are using your own words as ours because apparently you're fricking retarded. Using Briarcrest's enrollment numbers doesn't mean a god damn thing. The size doesn't fricking matter which I'm sure you hear often because your girlfriend is secretly pounding half the football team that you probably have tattooed on your obese, pork filled body. Who gives a shite that the Touhy's helped Oher? They helped a poor black kid so they're obviously terrible people that were cheaters but I thought all OM people were racist because that's what you also said. Sit down bitch and enjoy the pancakes.
Also CJ is on campus and told me to tell you that Terry Saban's pussy tastes like cherry limeade.
Also CJ is on campus and told me to tell you that Terry Saban's pussy tastes like cherry limeade.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:08 am to DMagic
Oh got damn 
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:21 am to hehatedrew
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Terry Saban's pussy tastes like cherry limeade.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:21 am to DMagic
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lso CJ is on campus and told me to tell you that Terry Saban's pussy tastes like cherry limeade.
Sonic Cherry Limeade or Firehouse Subs Cherry Limeade? One is good...one is disgusting.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:24 am to DMagic
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Who gives a shite that the Touhy's helped Oher? They helped a poor black kid so they're obviously terrible people that were cheaters but I thought all OM people were racist because that's what you also said. Sit down bitch and enjoy the pancakes.
Remember Albert Means
People got famous for a whitewashed, incorrect story about buying a recruit from Memphis.
An Alabama recruiter arranged for a Memphis Coach to receive payment for a Memphis High School prospect to sign with Alabama. That guy plays longer at Memphis than he does Bama. Alabama gets hammered over the situation and nearly gets the Death Penalty. It is later found out that Ole Miss (Cutcliffe), Tennessee (Fulmer), and Auburn (Tuberville) coaches all cooperated in the same deals but got immunity as secret witnesses. We endure 5 years of hell only remedied by hiring Nick Saban.
A Memphis public school kid is shown to be a monster at Offensive Tackle but has no hope of qualifying because their GPA reportedly starts with Zero. He somehow becomes the star player for a private school across town because someone paid his tuition. After his football ability (go by the books with cited sources not the movie) is discovered he is adopted by two Ole Miss Alumni boosters. After he mysteriously becomes a full qualifier (with help of teachers and tutors that are Ole Miss grads) he signs with Ole Miss.
That same spring his high school coach accepts a job at Ole Miss. Not an administrative role but a full assistant coach/coordinator job under Ed Orgeron. A figure known publicly for being involved in scandal as a coach before and after his stint at Ole Miss.
The adopted "family" then uses the fame of the book and the much more well known movie "based on a true story" that conveniently changes the name of Briarcrest and Hugh Freeze. Also it changed the fact (on Oher's own admission and the book itself) that Oher learned football one day on a practice field after his adopted moms rant. He was a known star before he ever moved in with the Tuohy's/moved to Briarcrest.
Now that same Coach involved in the situation is supposedly recruiting well at where Ole Miss?
Now if the situations were reversed and Albert Means got adopted by a Bama family, and became famous. If his high school coach Lynn Lang had taken a job at Alabama. And if Lang was currently the head coach at Alabama. And if nothing and ever came from it and Alabama avoided the 2002 brush with the Death Penatly then I ask you. And instead Ole Miss got the brush with the death penalty over the Oher incident.
How would you feel about the situation?
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:26 am to Libertyabides71
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How would you feel about the situation?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:27 am to NIH
And DC Rebel just said your recruiting has been inconsistent since the 1980s. Get on the same page.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:34 am to Libertyabides71
Do you want to fricking fight man?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:52 am to Libertyabides71
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And hiring a high school coach from the Memphis Cesspool who was coaching a transfer who got adopted by Ole Miss boosters has never seemed dirty to you?
So your whole argument is "Hugh Freeze is from Memphis" and "I read, but totally misunderstood, The Blind Side."
Got it.
I could just as easily say "you know, since Alabama has gotten in trouble with the NCAA several times before, they're obviously nothing but a bunch of cheaters today." But you'd find that argument lazy and unconvincing. So don't be surprised when other people do the same for your arguments.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:52 am to Libertyabides71
The NCAA investigated Mike's recruitment. They made a movie about him. It is kind of public knowledge. So why are we talking about this? Oh yeah "tu es loco."
I always know we are doing better in recruiting when Bama cries foul. How ironic is it that Bama fans accuse anyone of cheating? Bama invented the installment method.
Here is the thing with our recent success. Nutt got all the MS boys to stay home one year. It got some mojo going. Under Nutt he took the big brother of a now famous recruit when Bama LSU and UGA wouldn't. Treadwell was also a lucky break due to friendships. Once Robert choice us it legitimized us. Heck Lebron tweeted about it. Eli being an alum hasn't hurt us either.
News flash Oxford is a great place and we have facilities. The only thing missing is fire power. Early play time, unbelievable eye candy on campus.
One other thing, the thing I heard from OV at our games is that they really like our staff. I have even asked a few why would you pick us over Bama? They tell me that Saban is a suit and that with Freeze you can tell he really cares. Freeze relates to players and their parents on level few do in coaching.
I always know we are doing better in recruiting when Bama cries foul. How ironic is it that Bama fans accuse anyone of cheating? Bama invented the installment method.
Here is the thing with our recent success. Nutt got all the MS boys to stay home one year. It got some mojo going. Under Nutt he took the big brother of a now famous recruit when Bama LSU and UGA wouldn't. Treadwell was also a lucky break due to friendships. Once Robert choice us it legitimized us. Heck Lebron tweeted about it. Eli being an alum hasn't hurt us either.
News flash Oxford is a great place and we have facilities. The only thing missing is fire power. Early play time, unbelievable eye candy on campus.
One other thing, the thing I heard from OV at our games is that they really like our staff. I have even asked a few why would you pick us over Bama? They tell me that Saban is a suit and that with Freeze you can tell he really cares. Freeze relates to players and their parents on level few do in coaching.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:54 am to rebeloke
The movie changed most of the relevant details.
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