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Posted on 10/18/13 at 7:40 am
Posted on 10/18/13 at 7:40 am
JHC says that some former DBs who are currently in the NFL said their current playbooks aren't as big as the one at UGA.
That's absolutely inexcusable. Many of us have said the whole time the biggest issue is the playbook is just too got dang complicated. These are 19 year old kids, they don't need to memorize 100+ pages of plays. These guys are natural born athletes who have been making plays for years..just put em on the field, don't make em overthink themselves and just let em fly around to the football.
I've also mentioned that's why I think Swann has regressed so much this year. Last year when we had NFL dudes surrounding him they had their shite covered so Swann was free to just ball out. But now nobody around him knows what they're doing so he has to play a lot more cautious and it shows. At any rate, it blows my mind that we are continuing to operate with this type of system, if that is indeed the case.
That's absolutely inexcusable. Many of us have said the whole time the biggest issue is the playbook is just too got dang complicated. These are 19 year old kids, they don't need to memorize 100+ pages of plays. These guys are natural born athletes who have been making plays for years..just put em on the field, don't make em overthink themselves and just let em fly around to the football.
I've also mentioned that's why I think Swann has regressed so much this year. Last year when we had NFL dudes surrounding him they had their shite covered so Swann was free to just ball out. But now nobody around him knows what they're doing so he has to play a lot more cautious and it shows. At any rate, it blows my mind that we are continuing to operate with this type of system, if that is indeed the case.
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Posted on 10/18/13 at 7:52 am to WG_Dawg
That is pretty ridiculous but logically it makes sense. Our DLine and LB play hasn't been too bad this year because on most plays they are just pass rushing/run blitzing. That isn't the case for the secondary where they can play man, zone, or blitz (probably 10-15 different coverage types for each). Don't know if anyone watched the UNC - Miami game last night but UNC was starting a ton of freshman and walk-ons in their 2 deep and were playing very fundamental football. Pollack mentioned that their DC really dumbed down the playbook for them and it was working. 
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Posted on 10/18/13 at 7:52 am to WG_Dawg
Not to mention the fact that in NFL it is a players JOB to learn a complex playbook and they have to devote a lot of time towards that. In college, a players first priority should be making the best grades possible and not trying to understand an extraordinarily complex defensive scheme. What a shite head.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 7:58 am to WG_Dawg
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NFL said their current playbooks aren't as big as the one at UGA
This is a major concern, and further proof that we might not have the right man for the job. Having a complex system doesn't benefit anyone, if the guys have no idea what they are supposed to do.
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Last year when we had NFL dudes surrounding him they had their shite covered so Swann was free to just ball out
This is how it should be. These guys are high level athletes. It sounds like this playbook is making them think too much, which is why a lot of the guys look lost out there. Let them do what they know, let them ball out and make plays.
I guarantee this is a direct result of our lack of turnovers (if true). These guys are so focused on trying to figure out where they should be and who they are covering, that by the time its time to make a play on the ball its too late.
(steps off soapbox)
Posted on 10/18/13 at 8:02 am to WG_Dawg
So Grantham probably is the right guy. For an NFL team.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 9:03 am to WG_Dawg
Not surprised by this at all.
Especially with the young'uns out there, he should have a smaller set of formations to start the season and work in more looks as the season progresses and the players are comfortable with it.
Our defense is obviously too complex for the personnel (as well as most college personnel, I'm sure) on the field and is creating bad results.
Especially with the young'uns out there, he should have a smaller set of formations to start the season and work in more looks as the season progresses and the players are comfortable with it.
Our defense is obviously too complex for the personnel (as well as most college personnel, I'm sure) on the field and is creating bad results.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:07 am to WG_Dawg
Source? And not being a dick... I truly wanna read this
Posted on 10/18/13 at 12:39 pm to WG_Dawg
Some strange thoughts in this thread.
Let me just preface it by saying that I'm not thrilled with CTG.
With that said, this playbook stuff is mostly nonsense.
In 2010, Grantham's first year, we were 23rd in total defense.
In 2011, Grantham's second year, we moved up to 5th.
How come our entire squad was able to learn the defense by year 2 when he first started, despite 90% being recruited for a 4-3 and having never played in a 3-4 if the defense is too hard for kids to learn in a couple of years?
You guys are too blinded by your hate of CTG to realize how ridiculous it is to say things like "3rd and 4th year guys can't even learn it because it's so complex." Of course they can. Our entire squad learned it in 2 when he first got here. If a player doesn't learn it in 3 or 4, that's completely on them.
Further, I can't believe anyone is surprised that the defense has struggled. We replaced everyone. We're playing freshmen behind freshmen. What do you guys expect?
I've got some more news for you because I can look into my crystal ball here. Next year after Murray leaves, our offense is going to take a step back. It won't be as good. There will be times where Hutson Mason and the receivers look out of sync. Guess what, the year after that with a redshirt freshman, we'll be even worse. Our offense will stall regularly. It won't be because Bobo doesn't know what he's doing. It won't be because it's too complex. It will be because inexperienced guys make mistakes from inexperience and uncertainty.
Now, if you want to complain about how we don't seem to grasp that when we tackle someone we want them to move backwards, or that Damian Swann hasn't used his arms in a tackle yet this year, or how we have a terrible habit of leaving our feet for no reason and it causes us to miss tackles, or that when we blitz we too often stay engaged with the block instead of defeating the block, or any of the other multitude of mistakes we make repeatedly then I'm all for it.
But this playbook crap is mostly for the birds. If we hadn't self imposed sanctions down to 70 players a couple years ago and had a roster of up and coming JRs and SRs on the field on defense, you wouldn't see near as much confusion or other issues.
Let me just preface it by saying that I'm not thrilled with CTG.
With that said, this playbook stuff is mostly nonsense.
In 2010, Grantham's first year, we were 23rd in total defense.
In 2011, Grantham's second year, we moved up to 5th.
How come our entire squad was able to learn the defense by year 2 when he first started, despite 90% being recruited for a 4-3 and having never played in a 3-4 if the defense is too hard for kids to learn in a couple of years?
You guys are too blinded by your hate of CTG to realize how ridiculous it is to say things like "3rd and 4th year guys can't even learn it because it's so complex." Of course they can. Our entire squad learned it in 2 when he first got here. If a player doesn't learn it in 3 or 4, that's completely on them.
Further, I can't believe anyone is surprised that the defense has struggled. We replaced everyone. We're playing freshmen behind freshmen. What do you guys expect?
I've got some more news for you because I can look into my crystal ball here. Next year after Murray leaves, our offense is going to take a step back. It won't be as good. There will be times where Hutson Mason and the receivers look out of sync. Guess what, the year after that with a redshirt freshman, we'll be even worse. Our offense will stall regularly. It won't be because Bobo doesn't know what he's doing. It won't be because it's too complex. It will be because inexperienced guys make mistakes from inexperience and uncertainty.
Now, if you want to complain about how we don't seem to grasp that when we tackle someone we want them to move backwards, or that Damian Swann hasn't used his arms in a tackle yet this year, or how we have a terrible habit of leaving our feet for no reason and it causes us to miss tackles, or that when we blitz we too often stay engaged with the block instead of defeating the block, or any of the other multitude of mistakes we make repeatedly then I'm all for it.
But this playbook crap is mostly for the birds. If we hadn't self imposed sanctions down to 70 players a couple years ago and had a roster of up and coming JRs and SRs on the field on defense, you wouldn't see near as much confusion or other issues.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 4:05 pm to WG_Dawg
Gotta say, this was a lot of the problem we had with Groh as well. A number of guys commented on the complicated nature of the 3-4 and Groh's "scheme". We've had some awful games so far this season, but, for a change, it hasn't been because our defense has given away the game - in fact, the second half has been amazing all season (half time adjustments). I just don't think the 3-4 is right for college.
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