Started By
Message
APU - where do you stand?
Posted on 9/22/13 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/22/13 at 10:39 am
With the O'bannon case moving forward and GA players (according to a SI article which you can look up because I'm too backward to know how to do it) wearing "All Players United" wristbands, etc. yesterday, where do you stand on pay for play?
I support it for two reasons.
1) The NCAA is broken. Enforcement in this voluntary organization is a joke. The idea of giving "due process" to member schools is a smoke screen. The NCAA is scared to hammer the Miami's, Auburn's, OSU's, and Oregon's of the world because "big football" will quit and form another governing body. Thus the Clemson's and Ole Miss's of the world have these miraculous recruiting classes, while the reasonably honest programs, such as GA, are left scratching their heads -- AJ and the 4 game suspension for example.
Maybe if you paid these kids something and re-wrote the rule book in real world, no nonsense language, then college ball wouldn't be the festering mess that it has become.
2. These guys deserve something for what they give to the school beyond tuition, room and board. In the old days, if there were any, ball players were also students. Who really believes, "you are a student first, ball player second"? I admit I am biased. I am a former pro athlete in that I kept my race earnings and I had sponsors. How many GA grads are playing pro football -- 40, 50? So, the rest of the guys should play for the love of the game, for room, board and tuition, while the athletic department and school makes millions, including millions off of ball player likenesses? How much money do you think GA has made selling #34 jerseys? Manziel comes across as a punk, but, hell, I can't blame him if he made money off of "his" signature. Why continue demonizing a bunch of kids for doing what you or I might have done, given the opportunity?
Granted my opinions are in the minority and probably piss off many of you, but I am curious as to what the rantards think.
I support it for two reasons.
1) The NCAA is broken. Enforcement in this voluntary organization is a joke. The idea of giving "due process" to member schools is a smoke screen. The NCAA is scared to hammer the Miami's, Auburn's, OSU's, and Oregon's of the world because "big football" will quit and form another governing body. Thus the Clemson's and Ole Miss's of the world have these miraculous recruiting classes, while the reasonably honest programs, such as GA, are left scratching their heads -- AJ and the 4 game suspension for example.
Maybe if you paid these kids something and re-wrote the rule book in real world, no nonsense language, then college ball wouldn't be the festering mess that it has become.
2. These guys deserve something for what they give to the school beyond tuition, room and board. In the old days, if there were any, ball players were also students. Who really believes, "you are a student first, ball player second"? I admit I am biased. I am a former pro athlete in that I kept my race earnings and I had sponsors. How many GA grads are playing pro football -- 40, 50? So, the rest of the guys should play for the love of the game, for room, board and tuition, while the athletic department and school makes millions, including millions off of ball player likenesses? How much money do you think GA has made selling #34 jerseys? Manziel comes across as a punk, but, hell, I can't blame him if he made money off of "his" signature. Why continue demonizing a bunch of kids for doing what you or I might have done, given the opportunity?
Granted my opinions are in the minority and probably piss off many of you, but I am curious as to what the rantards think.
10
Posted on 9/22/13 at 11:04 am to runningdog
College Football used to be about fielding the best team from the students that attended the University. Currently, that is intramurals, as we have gone so far away from that. Honestly, the only way to keep the "sanctity of amateur athletics" would be to set up minor leagues of football like they have in baseball. The most interesting solution I have heard would be for the Athletic gear corporations that sponsor the schools to pay the players with a salary cap for each school. While this would essentially make colleges feeders to pro sports, and destroy the image some want to have of college athletes playing for the love of the school and free education, it would be a realistic solution. This shite is nothing new, its just easier to track now.
This post was edited on 9/22/13 at 11:10 am
Posted on 9/22/13 at 11:05 am to runningdog
quote:
2. These guys deserve something for what they give to the school beyond tuition, room and board.
That's plenty in my mind and the players do get some sort of stipend as I understand. My main concern in just outright paying players is you create a slippery slope that leads to a professional system in college in which the best players go to the highest bidder much like the N.Y. Yankees in baseball. I know many believe we already have a behind the scenes pay for players system but if it was truly that prevalent, UGA would not be able to get players like Matt Stafford, A.J. Green, Moreno, Gurley, Marshall, etc. I see the NCAA analogous to capitalism; it's a flawed system that's better than any alternative to date.
quote:
2. These guys deserve something for what they give to the school beyond tuition, room and board. In the old days, if there were any, ball players were also students. Who really believes, "you are a student first, ball player second"? I admit I am biased. I am a former pro athlete in that I kept my race earnings and I had sponsors.
Yep, at least you admit that your perspective is slanted. As the corney commercial goes: most student athletes are going pro in something other than sports. As such, I don't see why a currently functional system that supports arguably the most popular sport in the U.S. should be changed to accommodate the minority of exceptional players. In my mind the one thing that distinguishes college football from basketball and baseball in a very positive way is that players stay in school and support their team at least through their Sophomore year and many through their Junior and Senior years. In this regard the college football product is far superior and more popular for good reason.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 9/22/13 at 11:58 am to runningdog
We really gonna debate this once again? Good
lord.
1) Who do you pay? Just the FB players?BB player?
What about Baseball?(some schools make money)
YOU HAVE TO PAY EVERYBODY...including whatever
obscure made up womens sport that's on campus.It's
title IX,federal law,no way around it.
2)Who's making "millions"? The majority of FBS
ATHLETIC depts. are not. Hell,GT claimed they lost a
million in FB last year alone.The Athletic Dept at
most schools split all licensing fees at the minumum
50/50 with the school. Who does the #34 @ UGA belong
to anyway? The school or HW?It's a very debatable
point.
3) These guys are already getting stipends ($1,100
tp $1400 per month) Pell Grants (up to $5,400 per
year) "emergency funds" (up $4,500 per year)
clothing allowence as well.These are all cash
benefits that don't include tuition and books.
Up to 17K a year (not including emergency funds)
for expenses ALONE. The guys that do get kinda
screwed are freshman who have to live on campus
and can't get the stipends.
4) These players need to put these APU wristbands
away ASAP and actually think through this.
If I was CMR I'd give em a warning and then
throw their arse off the team if they kept it up.
lord.
1) Who do you pay? Just the FB players?BB player?
What about Baseball?(some schools make money)
YOU HAVE TO PAY EVERYBODY...including whatever
obscure made up womens sport that's on campus.It's
title IX,federal law,no way around it.
2)Who's making "millions"? The majority of FBS
ATHLETIC depts. are not. Hell,GT claimed they lost a
million in FB last year alone.The Athletic Dept at
most schools split all licensing fees at the minumum
50/50 with the school. Who does the #34 @ UGA belong
to anyway? The school or HW?It's a very debatable
point.
3) These guys are already getting stipends ($1,100
tp $1400 per month) Pell Grants (up to $5,400 per
year) "emergency funds" (up $4,500 per year)
clothing allowence as well.These are all cash
benefits that don't include tuition and books.
Up to 17K a year (not including emergency funds)
for expenses ALONE. The guys that do get kinda
screwed are freshman who have to live on campus
and can't get the stipends.
4) These players need to put these APU wristbands
away ASAP and actually think through this.
If I was CMR I'd give em a warning and then
throw their arse off the team if they kept it up.
Posted on 9/22/13 at 2:03 pm to runningdog
quote:
2. These guys deserve something for what they give to the school beyond tuition, room and board
No.
This is the same logic by which the fast food worker says they should make 15 dollars an hour instead of minimum wage.
The owner of the restaurant took the risk in buying in, paying franchise fees, building a building, etc. After food costs (athletic dept, university expenses) are removed, and payroll is removed, royalties paid, etc...a restaurant owner is lucky to pull 25-30% profit out of a restaurant. If all the minimum wage workers got that 15 dollars an hour they want, then a big mac would cost 20 dollars, everything would be far more expensive, and the same broke bastards who cant afford anything now, still wouldn't be able to afford anything.
Drive up wages, and drive up prices, the haves will continue to have and the have nots will continue to have less and less of what they already don't have.
Ready to pay 200 face value for a single game ticket? Go ahead and pay the players.
Posted on 9/22/13 at 2:17 pm to runningdog
100% opposed to any sort of (additional, in some cases) stipend.
Half these football players wouldn't even be in school if it weren't for athletics. And they're going to cry about free college? I absolutely cannot stand that.
And how can you even begin to quantify what a reasonable stipend would be? And if you did quantify it, would you pay the third stringer the same as the starting QB? Does the middle reliever in women's softball get something too? And whatever number you come up with, I can promise you a thousand times over that it won't be enough. The elite atheletes will eventually want more. And at that point the integrity of college athletics will be completely compromised. We're already on our way as it is - paying players under the table, players who get booted off one team only to be welcomed with open arms onto another team. It's absolutely disgusting. And some of us don't want to watch the NFL and Sunday AND Saturday.
Half these football players wouldn't even be in school if it weren't for athletics. And they're going to cry about free college? I absolutely cannot stand that.
And how can you even begin to quantify what a reasonable stipend would be? And if you did quantify it, would you pay the third stringer the same as the starting QB? Does the middle reliever in women's softball get something too? And whatever number you come up with, I can promise you a thousand times over that it won't be enough. The elite atheletes will eventually want more. And at that point the integrity of college athletics will be completely compromised. We're already on our way as it is - paying players under the table, players who get booted off one team only to be welcomed with open arms onto another team. It's absolutely disgusting. And some of us don't want to watch the NFL and Sunday AND Saturday.
Posted on 9/22/13 at 3:09 pm to runningdog
We get it, you ran track on scholarship at UGA.
Start 5 more topics, I think there are still 3 people that don't know how cool you. They only check in every other day.
Start 5 more topics, I think there are still 3 people that don't know how cool you. They only check in every other day.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:00 am to runningdog
If the NCAA is a joke (it is), then it needs to be fixed or another governing body needs to step in (not the federal government). Paying players won't fix the NCAA issue.
I oppose paying players for several reasons, but I'll say again that the players aren't busting their tails for free, and if they don't like it, they don't have to play.
I oppose paying players for several reasons, but I'll say again that the players aren't busting their tails for free, and if they don't like it, they don't have to play.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 12:47 pm to runningdog
I agree with you completely.
The schools that actually believed in the concept of "student-athletes" didn't sell their souls for big time athletic success. They are the Harvards, Yales, Princetons, military academies etc. They use to run the football world but then once profit motivation came in, they gracefully bowed out so as to not compromise their integrity.
You're supporting your side of the debate with the part in dispute itself.
The schools that actually believed in the concept of "student-athletes" didn't sell their souls for big time athletic success. They are the Harvards, Yales, Princetons, military academies etc. They use to run the football world but then once profit motivation came in, they gracefully bowed out so as to not compromise their integrity.
quote:
Student athletes aren't getting paid because the universities don't recruit players to fill paid positions on their staff. Athletics are extracurricular activities that students can participate in while they get an education.
You're supporting your side of the debate with the part in dispute itself.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:52 pm to runningdog
I think players should get paid.
And I think they shouldn't even have to go to class.
And I think they shouldn't even have to go to class.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 7:09 am to runningdog
CFB should be ran like a business in evert aspect including paying the employees. It ain't just the exceptional athlete that makes the sport great...it is the players who play with heart and desire who aren't that talented but work like hell at it....and those kids already have more of what it takes to be successful in life than all the education in the world. I don't think it is a good idea to just hand over hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash to these kids but it should be some sort of delayed compensation based on their getting an education....if they don't earn a degree by the time they run out of eligibility then they should have the means to stay in school....with enough money in THEIR school account for their needs while they earn a degree. If they choose not to stay and get that degree then they should be thanked for their service and handed a check for about 20% of what they would get if they did stay in school. The opportunity to play CFB is a once in a lifetime kind of deal....but your talking about 17 and 18 year old kids recognizing that opportunity, many of whom have no role model except the crack dealer on the corner, and many of whom have been pampered since someone found out how fast they can run. I don't blame the players at all for wanting more for the work and sacrifice they give to the sport.....
Page 1 of 1
Latest Georgia News
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News