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re: ASB trying to get rid of Dixie Update: no vote Dixie to stay
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:18 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:18 pm to OMLandshark
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How about you you go drown yourself in bleach, you fricking pussy? You are the type of pussy I hate who would pretty much burn the forest down because you didn't like a few trees. In short, frick off.
Generally people who dont have the mental capacity to develop a intelligent argument start by calling names. I dont know you so please refrain from the name calling. If you would like to discuss the issue as an adult we definitely can.
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Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:20 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah, let's burn our entire heritage. Lets get rid of Grits, the Blues, and basically anything that identifies us as being different from the rest of the US. God forbid we stand out in some way.
Did I advise anyone to burn our heritage? I like grits and the blues by the way, I have no idea what your point was...
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:23 pm to OMLandshark
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Newsflash, but Ole Miss IS in the land of cotton. That has not changed
There is Cotton on campus??? The composer of Dixie was talking about Oxford, MS??? Oh I didnt think so.
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Bull shite. Dixie isn't keeping anyone off of our campus. If we give into to one group of pussies, then we will soon give into to a worse bunch of pussies like PETA. Let me guess, you're for the removal of the Rebels title too right?
What does pussy have to do with what we were talking about? Did you even read my post? I stated I could care less if Dixie left. I didnt say we should set up a vote to get rid of Dixie. I could give two shites...
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:25 pm to OMLandshark
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There are stupid people everywhere who will give us crap about our university all over the States. Dixie is a beautiful song written by a guy from Ohio. You shouldn't be so insecure about it.
You obviously didnt read my post. I already stated Dixie is a beautiful song that I happen to like. My point was I wouldnt lose a drop of sleep if Ole Miss chose to get rid of it. Why would I?
Posted on 4/24/13 at 11:35 pm to BluegrassBelle
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True. But this would be the equivalent to me of someone petitioning to have the name Rupp removed from Rupp Arena because Rupp was labeled racist (you can argue whether rightly so or not). And I'd be offended. Because it's a part of the University of Kentucky's culture even if it isn't the one thing that totally makes the University of Kentucky
I dont think its equivalent at all. Rupp was a coach. The equivalent would be changing Vaught Hemingway Stadium because someone thought one of those guys was racist. Dixie has NOTHING to do with Ole Miss. Its not an official song.
I agree 100% that setting up votes to remove things no one gives two shites about outside of Ole Miss only brings negative light to the school. Personally I wonder why the guy just didnt go to the administration and ask the band director if they would stop playing the song. (which if they did no one would even miss it)
I've gone to Ole Miss games for 25 years now. (I'm 29 now) I was born and raised in Oxford. Once again my point was not that the song should be removed. My point was as a grown man I could care less if they decided to remove it or not. Its just a song with no REAL ties to the school.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 7:01 am to Doresrules
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I dont think its equivalent at all. Rupp was a coach. The equivalent would be changing Vaught Hemingway Stadium because someone thought one of those guys was racist. Dixie has NOTHING to do with Ole Miss. Its not an official song.
You do realize "like" doesn't mean "literally"? Everyone else got the comparison.
And when did a song have to be officially listed as part of a University to be part of it's traditions. My Old Kentucky Home isn't an "official" University of Kentucky song either but it's very much a part of the University. It's sung after every game. And at one point it had racist undertones/language that had to be changed but thankfully the state and University didn't go full retard and remove it all together. I'd be pretty upset if UK would have discontinued the tradition of singing it at Senior Night and after games. Because it's a tradition even if it's not "listed" or "official". I don't think that makes me racist to defend that or less of a grown up either as you seem to suggest with your "grown man" comments. And that very much applies to those defending Dixie for Ole Miss.
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My point was as a grown man I could care less if they decided to remove it or not. Its just a song with no REAL ties to the school.
Once again, who determines it has "real" ties. There were obviously enough ties to the University that it's being addressed. Does it have to be officially listed somewhere? Or are you just spouting off an agenda?
And you keep saying you could care less but just a few posts back you were complaining about having to defend the University over it.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 7:07 am
Posted on 4/25/13 at 7:42 am to Doresrules
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There is Cotton on campus??? The composer of Dixie was talking about Oxford, MS??? Oh I didnt think so.
While I am in no support of either side, there IS cotton in Oxford.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:10 am to reb13
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While I am in no support of either side, there IS cotton in Oxford
I was being sarcastic. I'm from Oxford. I know that Cotton grows there. The point is the composer wasnt writing the song for Ole Miss. The song has no ties to Ole Miss.IF they got rid of it why should it matter?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:15 am to Doresrules
You keep saying it has no ties at Ole Miss, but it's played at Ole Miss events and student/alumni identify with that. I would certainly consider that a "tie".
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:15 am to Doresrules
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ask the band director if they would stop playing the song. (which if they did no one would even miss it)
I understand your points and YOUR feelings on the subject but I can assure that the vast majority of the Student & ALUMNI populations would be VERY UPSET IF DIXIE WAS TAKEN AWAY. Especially in light of FDWL as already being banned. Outside of you and maybe a very small portion of people, I'd say almost all Ole Miss fans would disagree with you and say that they would be very upset and miss it very much. This thread is proof enough of that.
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:23 am to BluegrassBelle
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You do realize "like" doesn't mean "literally"? Everyone else got the comparison.
I got the comparison, but it wasnt a very good one was the point. You were comparing apples and oranges. One point is the greatest coach in the history of the program. The other point is a song that has NOTHING to do with Ole Miss outside of some of the fans liking it.
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And when did a song have to be officially listed as part of a University to be part of it's traditions. My Old Kentucky Home isn't an "official" University of Kentucky song either but it's very much a part of the University. It's sung after every game. And at one point it had racist undertones/language that had to be changed but thankfully the state and University didn't go full retard and remove it all together. I'd be pretty upset if UK would have discontinued the tradition of singing it at Senior Night and after games. Because it's a tradition even if it's not "listed" or "official". I don't think that makes me racist to defend that or less of a grown up either as you seem to suggest with your "grown man" comments. And that very much applies to those defending Dixie for Ole Miss.
You're basically proving my point. UK fans arent still going ape shite over that song being changed. Once again I dont know how many times I have to say I dont care if the song stays or goes.
Also just because something is a tradition does it ALWAYS have to last? Is it not fair to question if some things have gotten outdated?
Also I havent said anything about anyone being racist or even implied it. I'm from the south and understand that the people of the south tend to hold on strong to things of the past no matter what anyone else thinks. That being said, I'm glad my university doesnt handle business as people of the south but as a world wide institution. At times decision have to be made that dont sit well with people who have the "southern" menatlity I spoke of.
As far as defending the school, I'm sure I'll have to do that forever because some outsiders will NEVER get it and no matter what is done it wont be enough. However unlike some, I believe change can be good. Not just to satisfy others but as time moves on change should come with any school.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:23 am to Doresrules
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The point is the composer wasnt writing the song for Ole Miss.
And this composer point you keep bringing up is half retarded.
Rocky Top wasn't written for the University of Tennessee and isn't "official" but you better believe they'd burn down Knoxville if you tried to take it away. Country Roads wasn't written for West Virginia but they play it at the end of victories there and the fanbase sings it in unison. Stephen Foster didn't write My Old Kentucky Home for UK but it's a huge part of our tradition.
A song doesn't have to be written specifically for a University in order for it to be part of their tradition. Your logic is horribly flawed.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:28 am to Doresrules
When did Dixie become outdated? And no one said traditions have to be forever, but if it's a widely embraced tradition by a fanbase then why not let them continue to have that? Traditions are a good thing and often what sets schools in the SEC apart from those at other places that aren't nearly as strongly rooted.
You're about the only Ole Miss fan I've encountered who wasn't bothered by the possibility of it's removal so you're obviously in the minority.
As far as your racism comment, what's this "southern" mentality you're speaking of then? And while I agree that schools should be fluid, there are some traditions you shouldn't let go of because it is a core of your identity. That "southern" mentality would be one of those if you're truly not implying that it's a racist mentality.
You're about the only Ole Miss fan I've encountered who wasn't bothered by the possibility of it's removal so you're obviously in the minority.
As far as your racism comment, what's this "southern" mentality you're speaking of then? And while I agree that schools should be fluid, there are some traditions you shouldn't let go of because it is a core of your identity. That "southern" mentality would be one of those if you're truly not implying that it's a racist mentality.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:32 am to BluegrassBelle
Belle has her game face on
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:35 am to BluegrassBelle
You seem to keep trying to take my point and make them yours. When the song says I wish I was in the land of Cotton he wasnt talking about Ole Miss. The song embodies the Old South. Which was the point. I PERSONALLY dont care if its played or not, which is why I orginially stated I wouldnt lose any sleep if they stopped playing it. You dont have to agree with me on that. We can agree to disagree.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:36 am to UMRealist
I guess I just don't get being asshurt over the fanbase being allowed to keep Dixie when so much has already been removed (I'm not going to argue justly or unjustly because I do have to work at some point today
). And some of what I've seen has been poor logic. Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:42 am to Doresrules
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When the song says I wish I was in the land of Cotton he wasnt talking about Ole Miss. The song embodies the Old South.
What's your point? Just because a something isn't specifically designed for the University doesn't mean it can't have a very strong tie to it. As Belle stated above there are examples of this at many universities across the country.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:48 am to McRebel42
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vast majority of the Student & ALUMNI populations would be VERY UPSET IF DIXIE WAS TAKEN AWAY.
This is the biggest point to me. Some decisions IMO cant be left to just the alumni and student body. If that was the case huge confederate flags would probably still be flying at football games. Do you think that would be appropriate in 2013? I dont. Some tough decisions to move forward have to be looked into.
The point about people not missing the song is if the band director just didnt play the song at the game, no one mentioned it and there wasnt some stupid vote, how many people would REALLY realize they didnt play the song. Half the time most people dont even "listen" to the band.
Once again I dont know how else I can state it. I have no issue with Dixie. It does not bother me. That being said if it was removed it does not have that same meaning to me. It doesnt take me to places that it seems to take some of the people on this board. As a matter of fact, at Lafayette HS in Oxford I played the drums and developed our cadence(or song we march to to the field) The first part which we wrote, was taken from Ole Miss, from the Dixie song.
Personally if the song didnt have a negative connotation and whether its from Dixie with love or Dixie when its played slow(whichever one that ones) was one of the most beatiful songs you will ever hear a band play.
As I keep stating, I'm for moving the school forward. Change is hard. There will always be resistance to change. If it was getting rid of the Grove, or changing the Ole Miss name I'd be on the same boat. I just dont share that same affection for Dixie.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:51 am to Doresrules
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getting rid of the Grove,
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:53 am to BluegrassBelle
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As far as your racism comment, what's this "southern" mentality you're speaking of then? And while I agree that schools should be fluid, there are some traditions you shouldn't let go of because it is a core of your identity. That "southern" mentality would be one of those if you're truly not implying that it's a racist mentality.
Personally I feel what someone who isnt from the south might infer as racism, someone from the south might realize isnt racist at all. Its very hard to explain. Its just one of those things that you just have to be from the south to get.
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You're about the only Ole Miss fan I've encountered who wasn't bothered by the possibility of it's removal so you're obviously in the minority.
The removal of Dixie in my opinion shouldnt be a Ole Miss issue. I think some decisions have to be made that might upset the fan base but be for the better of the school.(such as getting rid of the confederate flag at games) So I dont expect the majority of Ole Miss fans to share my sentiments.
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