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re: ASB trying to get rid of Dixie Update: no vote Dixie to stay
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:54 am to Doresrules
Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:54 am to Doresrules
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You seem to keep trying to take my point and make them yours
Not at all.
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When the song says I wish I was in the land of Cotton he wasnt talking about Ole Miss. The song embodies the Old South. Which was the point.
The point you're making is that it doesn't have lyric specific ties to Ole Miss. The point everyone else is making that it doesn't have to in order to have a strong tie to a University.
That's fine if you don't agree. But if you're going to argue that point, you'd probably be better served to have a better argument to back it up.
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 8:55 am to BluegrassBelle
How am I asshurt? You are the only one that keeps implying that. I'm just giving the other side of the argument.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:02 am to BluegrassBelle
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The point you're making is that it doesn't have lyric specific ties to Ole Miss. The point everyone else is making that it doesn't have to in order to have a strong tie to a University.
Mention Rocky Top and almost anyone thinks UT. Mention Dixie and the first thought isnt Ole Miss. Its Old South. Its a time that most people I know white or black arent proud of. I'm sorry if I'm from the minority who dont care if something that is tied to that is removed. Once again we can agree to disagree.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:04 am to Doresrules
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Personally I feel what someone who isnt from the south might infer as racism, someone from the south might realize isnt racist at all. Its very hard to explain. Its just one of those things that you just have to be from the south to get.
So it is about racism like I suspected and unlike your denial earlier in this thread in trying to imply that the "southern mentality" was something else. You're all over the place with this right now.
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The removal of Dixie in my opinion shouldnt be a Ole Miss issue. I think some decisions have to be made that might upset the fan base but be for the better of the school.(such as getting rid of the confederate flag at games) So I dont expect the majority of Ole Miss fans to share my sentiments.
Surely you're not suggesting outside legislature make that decision? And you're supporting completely eradicating any inkling of Southern tradition Ole Miss has at this point because Ole Miss just happens to be a University in the South. Many have pointed out that Dixie doesn't have any racist undertones/connotations. So what gives? We've both agreed that racism will forever be associated with Ole Miss because of James Meredith and other events. So what difference is it going to make to remove a song that has Old South roots, but no specific racial undertones? You keep hammering home that Dixie isn't the first thing one thinks of when they think Ole Miss and vice versa. So what's the hurt in keeping it?
And yes, you're coming off incredibly asshurt over it.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 9:08 am
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:21 am to BluegrassBelle
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So it is about racism like I suspected and unlike your denial earlier in this thread in trying to imply that the "southern mentality" was something else. You're all over the place with this right now.
There is no denial. I stand by my statement that if you arent from the south there are some thing that you wont understand and might imply as racism when it has nothing to do with race. For example, if I see a guy with a confederate flag I see a guy who is proud of his heritage. Dont kid me if you dont think others who dont understand the south dont just view it as some redneck racist.
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Surely you're not suggesting outside legislature make that decision
No I'm suggesting that some decisions have to be made without a vote by our administration. Whose job it is to move Ole Miss in the right direction.
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Many have pointed out that Dixie doesn't have any racist undertones/connotations. So what gives?
If there was no racist undertones to the song this vote never would have taken place and there wouldnt be several pages of people talking about it on this site.
This is gonna be my last response to this thread because you an pick apart every point I make until the end of time. We just agree to disagree. We all want what is best for Ole Miss. I'm sure there were people who were just as upset about losing the confederate flags at games. It was a Ole Miss tradition, which set Ole Miss apart from other schools. I'm personally glad someone had the balls to go against what the majority wanted and did what was best for Ole Miss.
Once again we just agree to disagree. Good debate though.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:34 am to Doresrules
We clearly disagree on what is "best" for Ole Miss at this point and that's fine. And I'm picking apart what you're saying because that's what you do in a debate. Anyway, best for Ole Miss is not making an issue out of something there should be no issue with at this juncture given the extreme moves Ole Miss has made by eradicating other traditions that could be perceived as racist. There are much better ways to be progressive on the perception front and this isn't one of them.
As I said earlier, it's simply attention whoring by the ASB and others who just want to push it as far as they can go and clearly don't have the best interest of the University at heart.
That's my final point as well.
As I said earlier, it's simply attention whoring by the ASB and others who just want to push it as far as they can go and clearly don't have the best interest of the University at heart.
That's my final point as well.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 9:38 am
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:34 am to Doresrules
Confederate Flag is a bad comparison. It was a clear direct symbol from the Confederacy. Dixie is not
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:43 am to Doresrules
If they assign racist connotations to the song itself then that's their own problem.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:43 am to Doresrules
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This is the biggest point to me. Some decisions IMO cant be left to just the alumni and student body. If that was the case huge confederate flags would probably still be flying at football games. Do you think that would be appropriate in 2013? I dont. Some tough decisions to move forward have to be looked into.
Contrary to popular belief you do know that the Alumni Association played a MAJOR ROLE in getting rid of the Confederate Flags & Colonel Reb, don't you?
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if the band director just didnt play the song at the game, no one mentioned it and there wasnt some stupid vote, how many people would REALLY realize they didnt play the song.
A lot I promise you ... maybe even some in the Student section. BUT I ASSURE YOU MANY PEOPLE WOULD NOTICE IT NOT BEING PLAYED.
Have you ever been to an Ole Miss basketball prior to 2-3 years ago? Do you know what the biggest part of that game was?? I'll answer that for you ... when the band played Dixie, everybody would jump up and begin clapping and cheering. Before that everybody was quite and sitting solemnly.
Too many this song is apart of Ole Miss. The Land of Cotton that you keep saying doesn't equate Ole Miss, for many it does.
Land of Cotton = Landmass
Landmass = Mississippi
Ole Miss = University of Mississippi
Therefore Ole Miss = University of the Land of Cotton
Okay joking aside though Dixie has become the battle cry of Rebelnation and IMO the same as the Grove, Hotty Toddy, Ole Miss & Rebels. I know we disagree on this but understand this is why many of us just don't understand why you say what you say.
Agreeing to disagree, Hotty Toddy
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:44 am to UMRealist
Exactly. It's not the song it's the dumb motherfrickers continuing to yell TSWRA.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:50 am to DMagic
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It's not the song it's the dumb motherfrickers continuing to yell TSWRA.
That's FDWL not Dixie braj
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:53 am to McRebel42
Dixie is apart of From DIXIE with love. ;)
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:55 am to DMagic
Well shite if we are getting technical then yeah but that's not when they say TSWRA though 
Posted on 4/25/13 at 9:56 am to McRebel42
That's where it all started
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:00 am to McRebel42
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I know we disagree on this but understand this is why many of us just don't understand why you say what you say.
Oh I understand what he's saying. He's worried some overly PC person is going to get their panties in a bundle and assume that Dixie is racist. Then call Ole Miss racist.
It's like cutting off a leg at the knee because the tiny scratch on your foot that isn't bothering you now MIGHT become infected later.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:11 am to BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:19 am to DMagic
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DMagic
Posted on 4/25/13 at 10:22 am to McRebel42
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