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re: Aggies -- The Houston Chronicle has a valid point
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:02 am to WestCoastAg
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:02 am to WestCoastAg
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i do find it funny that a bunch of people with no affiliation with a&m are saying that we need to change a song that we have sung for almost 90 years
Sometimes it takes outside help to see how jacked up things are on the inside. Change it. It will make headlines and make t.u. feel even more slighted.
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Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:04 am to Pigimus Prime
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It will make headlines and make t.u. feel even more slighted.
if we do that, we will have a number of people saying that we are trying to hard to move on
it should be kept the way it is
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:06 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
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1. La Bodega
2. Lane's
3. GHWB Library for fireworks on July 4th.
4. The Woodland's pool in the summer (may have changed since the last time I was there, there were A LOT of apartment complexes being built).
I'm struggling with the fact that I agree with this list.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:07 am to John Maplethorpe
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So does Texas and Bama.
Eff that. I don't care if you sing the barney song for your fight song. Leave Bama out of it.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:08 am to Pigimus Prime
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Fair enough, it's just one of many things I have yet to figure out.
So quit worrying about it and stop trying to figure it out...
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:09 am to TbirdSpur2010
Waffle Houses in Houston
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:10 am to Pigimus Prime
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Texas A&M. From the outside you can't understand it, from the inside you can't explain it. /EOT
Isn't this just a nice way of saying: we have evolved into something that we ourselves do not understand. Therefore you cannot question us as it makes us think, sometimes on an individual level. That is bad as we prefer group think and lockstep behavior.
Actually that would be very inaccurate. Aggies understand our culture very well. The problem is that the culture and traditions are so many and so varied that you A)Have to spend a lot of time just to get a grasp of them and B)Have to give a shite about them.
There is no question that A&M is a cult and the Corps especially. Hearing Aggies argue about traditions sometimes resembles two Biblical scholars arguing about the meaning of the Ten Commandments. We take some things WAY too seriously. I mean when the Zone was built at A&M there was a huge uproar because the design no longer had a tunnel so that the graves of the Reveille's could see the scoreboard. Folks got incredibly worked up about this because of the "tradition" that was really just started as a coincidence that there was a space 50 years before they could put the graves at that happened to be in sight of the old scoreboard. In the end they put up a special scoreboard that is there for the dead dogs. To an Aggie that's awesome, to many outsiders that is just BSC. The other issue is most of the traditions have evolved many times over the years and there is a saying at A&M that "Once you do something twice, it is a tradition!"
I mean how do you really explain what brought Aggies to the point where they see that stuff as normal? Most folks lose interest (understandably) before you get too far with it. Still, it is those traditions that make Aggies what they are.
This is also why the diversity comment is off base. A&M fervently follows traditions yet they constantly evolve. A&M's military culture is also often misconstrued to think that A&M is a bunch of backward rednecks by some when in truth it makes us more diverse. At A&M the culture has always been "the best person for the job" and it doesn't matter who your Daddy is or where you come from, we start off as equals and you earn things by your own merit.
I was also the rare person at A&M that was both in the Corps and in a Fraternity (which I joined as a Junior) and have a perspective on both. I was even a Recruiting Officer in the Corps and Rush Chairman for my Frat simultaneously. Frats have a place at A&M but they will never be the dominant culture because of the nature of Rush. It just rubs against the grain too much of the overall culture. For instance any student can join the Corps but the challenge is not quitting. That makes all the difference.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:13 am to aggressor
I am going to have to quit trolling you guys as much. I really think A&M is a fine place with fine traditions and lots of god damn diversity. Get a Waffle House and this mess can be settled.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:39 am to Pigimus Prime
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I am going to have to quit trolling you guys as much. I really think A&M is a fine place with fine traditions and lots of god damn diversity. Get a Waffle House and this mess can be settled.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:39 am to Pigimus Prime
This wasn't even one of your better trolls 
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:51 am to TbirdSpur2010
since im jumping in here late:
We aint changing it, we didnt change it when "Varsity" became "bevo" We have "moved on" from Texas but you can guarantee if we play each other again there will be limitless hate
Texas does care about us as we do care about them, its on an individual basis though. some fans cant stand the other still, and some truthfully don't care.
I personally get a little warm feeling inside anytime I see them fail,(which is often this season) just in case we do play them again, i keep the hate locked up but I am also not posting daily things about them.
We aint changing it, we didnt change it when "Varsity" became "bevo" We have "moved on" from Texas but you can guarantee if we play each other again there will be limitless hate
Texas does care about us as we do care about them, its on an individual basis though. some fans cant stand the other still, and some truthfully don't care.
I personally get a little warm feeling inside anytime I see them fail,(which is often this season) just in case we do play them again, i keep the hate locked up but I am also not posting daily things about them.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:09 pm to postman56
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This wasn't even one of your better trolls
Yeah pretty weak lol.
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We aint changing it, we didnt change it when "Varsity" became "bevo" We have "moved on" from Texas but you can guarantee if we play each other again there will be limitless hate
Did varsity not become bevo prior to the writing of the war hymn?
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:11 pm to BigAggie06
The Houston Chronicle has never had a valid point, so this article is just as irrelevant as the wrapping paper it's printed on.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:12 pm to Pigimus Prime
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Did varsity not become bevo prior to the writing of the war hymn?
They called their nutless bovine varsity until we branded it 13-0
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:14 pm to WestCoastAg
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They called their nutless bovine varsity until we branded it 13-0
4 years prior to the war hymn, right?
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:14 pm to Pigimus Prime
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Did varsity not become bevo prior to the writing of the war hymn?
As far as I know, no. Not sure exactly when "saw varsity's horns off" became part of the war hymn, though.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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LOL no. Not legit in the 1st place and trying to claim it almost 100 years later is total horseshite.
He was responding to someone in the thread that said A&M was the JV team back then. So obviously they were a good team if they were the national champions back then, whether the title is recognized today or not.
Chill out bro.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:23 pm to Pigimus Prime
Aggies have a habit of reminding Texas of what they used to call themselves. That's part of why we still call them "tu" because WAAAY back when were referred to as "Texas University". At some point they decided that they would go by the more formal "University of Texas" and typically emphasize "THE University of Texas". We just like to remind them that they are still our younger brother.
Same thing with "Varsity" vs "Longhorns". WAAAY back when the only "Longhorn" was the A&M annual. Then Texas gets a nutless bovine as a mascot and decides they are now "The Longhorns". A&M really didn't like accepting that either so the "Varsity" moniker stuck in the War Hymn even though so much time has passed that there isn't really a lot of resentment on "Longhorns" and our annual is now called "The Aggieland" and has been for nearly 100 years.
Once again, it's just one more quirky tradition thing.
Same thing with "Varsity" vs "Longhorns". WAAAY back when the only "Longhorn" was the A&M annual. Then Texas gets a nutless bovine as a mascot and decides they are now "The Longhorns". A&M really didn't like accepting that either so the "Varsity" moniker stuck in the War Hymn even though so much time has passed that there isn't really a lot of resentment on "Longhorns" and our annual is now called "The Aggieland" and has been for nearly 100 years.
Once again, it's just one more quirky tradition thing.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:24 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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It is true that in 1916, four Texas A&M Aggies kidnapped the longhorn and branded him with "13 - 0", the score of A&M's 1915 win over Texas.[7][10][9] Texas students are rumored to have retaliated by changing the steer's brand to Bevo.
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It was written by J.V. "Pinky" Wilson, one of many Aggies who fought in World War I. Wilson combined several Aggie yells then in use at the time into a song called "Good-bye to Texas University." It was sung frequently by a quartet Wilson organized after returning to Texas A&M after the war.
One night in 1920, several of the Aggie Yell Leaders heard Wilson's quartet singing the song, and asked him to let them submit it in a contest for a new fight song to be held that fall (after Wilson graduated). Wilson agreed, and the song, considerably jazzed up, was officially adopted that fall under its current title.
So at least 1 year later if it was 1917 or 4 if it was 1920 for the first part written. It seems some Texas folks say Bevo as a name came even earlier.
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The original song is actually the second verse of the hymn; in 1928, Wilson wrote another verse at the request of several Aggie students who thought the original was too focused on the Aggies' rivalry with the University of Texas. The additional lyrics comprise what is now the first verse of the song. However, the first verse has never caught on, in part because many felt it sounded too much like an Ivy League song. Thus, in practice, the second (original) verse is usually sung twice.[4]
The second verse opens with "Goodbye to texas university"; these words were chosen since Aggies refer to their principal athletic rival, the University of Texas, as "texas university", or "t.u.". Also, in practice, the phrase "sounds like hell" is inserted after the line "that is the song they sing so well"; however, the phrase is not officially part of the song.
After the second verse, Aggie fans link their arms and legs, and sway left and right to replicate the motion of a saw blade; this is called "sawing Varsity's horns off" (prior to the Texas football team adopting the Longhorn as the official mascot, the team was simply known as "Varsity"). When this happens during football games at Kyle Field, this causes the entire west upper deck, including the press box, to sway. This often unnerves sportswriters who haven't covered an Aggie game before.[5][6]
So can we not assume Bevo came before the war hymn?
Posted on 10/24/12 at 1:25 pm to aggressor
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Aggies have a habit of reminding Texas of what they used to call themselves. That's part of why we still call them "tu" because WAAAY back when were referred to as "Texas University". At some point they decided that they would go by the more formal "University of Texas" and typically emphasize "THE University of Texas". We just like to remind them that they are still our younger brother.
Same thing with "Varsity" vs "Longhorns". WAAAY back when the only "Longhorn" was the A&M annual. Then Texas gets a nutless bovine as a mascot and decides they are now "The Longhorns". A&M really didn't like accepting that either so the "Varsity" moniker stuck in the War Hymn even though so much time has passed that there isn't really a lot of resentment on "Longhorns" and our annual is now called "The Aggieland" and has been for nearly 100 years.
Once again, it's just one more quirky tradition thing.
That makes more sense and ties some of these theories together.
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