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re: Civil War nicknames for SEC states..
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:35 pm to mizzoukills
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:35 pm to mizzoukills
I agree, Mizzoukills. That's why I recommended Prairie Grove battlefield. It's a smaller engagement but the battlefield isn't cluttered with monuments and you can easily visualize the battlelines and action on that day. I think that Manassas and Sharpsburg are my two favorite battlefields to visit in the East. Like I mentioned earlier, I really like Centralia (just east of Columbia). Only one monument and the battlefield looks exactly how it did on that day in 1864. I plan on checking out Oak Hills later this summer when I visit my folks.
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:52 pm to calitiger
So why were soldiers from LA called "Tigers" and those from Kentucky called "Corn Crackers"? I can see the relevance of the other nicknames.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:05 pm to Pork Chop Express
Just Curious, Have any of you ever walked bloody lane at Antitam or walked through Shiloh? I experienced a very odd feeling at both battlefields. I got goosebumps and the hair on the back of my neck stood up before I even got to the plaque on bloody lane. Once I saw the plaque with the picture of the lane just after the battle I instantly understood why I got the heebie jeebies. The sunken road called bloody lane was completely full of dead bodies.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:07 pm to Pork Chop Express
quote:Corn crackers comes from making Kentucky bourbon I believe. You crack the corn to make a sour mash and then distill it.
So why were soldiers from LA called "Tigers" and those from Kentucky called "Corn Crackers"? I can see the relevance of the other nicknames.
It follows from the same idea as "Jimmy crack corn" in the song Bluetail Fly.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:08 pm to Pork Chop Express
from LSUsports.net
The Nickname: "Fighting Tigers"
Way back in the fall of 1896, coach A.W. Jeardeau's LSU football team posted a perfect 6-0-0 record, and it was in that pigskin campaign that LSU first adopted its nickname, Tigers.
'Tigers' seemed a logical choice since most collegiate teams in that year bore the names of ferocious animals, but the underlying reason why LSU chose 'Tigers' dates back to the Civil War.
According to Arthur W. Bergeron, Jr., PhD. and the "Guide to Louisiana Confederate Military Units, 1861-1865" (LSU Press, 1989), the name Louisiana Tigers evolved from a volunteer company nicknamed the Tiger Rifles, which was organized in New Orleans. This company became a part of a battalion commanded by Major Chatham Roberdeau Wheat and was the only company of that battalion to wear the colorful Zouave uniform. In time, Wheat's entire battalion was called the Tigers.
That nickname in time was applied to all of the Louisiana troops of Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. The tiger symbol came from the famous Washington Artillery of New Orleans. A militia unit that traces its history back to the 1830s, the Washington Artillery had a logo that featured a snarling tiger's head. These two units first gained fame at the Battle of First Manassas on July 21, 1861. Major David French Boyd, first president of LSU after the war, had fought with the Louisiana troops in Virginia and knew the reputation of both the Tiger Rifles and Washington Artillery.
Thus when LSU football teams entered the gridiron battlefields in their fourth year of intercollegiate competition, they tagged themselves as the 'Tigers'.
It was the 1955 LSU 'fourth-quarter ball club' that helped the moniker 'Tigers' grow into the nickname, 'Fighting Tigers'.
Thanks to Arthur W. Bergeron, Jr., PhD., a historian at the Pamplin Historical Park, for contributing to the above information.
Colors: Purple and Gold
The Nickname: "Fighting Tigers"
Way back in the fall of 1896, coach A.W. Jeardeau's LSU football team posted a perfect 6-0-0 record, and it was in that pigskin campaign that LSU first adopted its nickname, Tigers.
'Tigers' seemed a logical choice since most collegiate teams in that year bore the names of ferocious animals, but the underlying reason why LSU chose 'Tigers' dates back to the Civil War.
According to Arthur W. Bergeron, Jr., PhD. and the "Guide to Louisiana Confederate Military Units, 1861-1865" (LSU Press, 1989), the name Louisiana Tigers evolved from a volunteer company nicknamed the Tiger Rifles, which was organized in New Orleans. This company became a part of a battalion commanded by Major Chatham Roberdeau Wheat and was the only company of that battalion to wear the colorful Zouave uniform. In time, Wheat's entire battalion was called the Tigers.
That nickname in time was applied to all of the Louisiana troops of Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. The tiger symbol came from the famous Washington Artillery of New Orleans. A militia unit that traces its history back to the 1830s, the Washington Artillery had a logo that featured a snarling tiger's head. These two units first gained fame at the Battle of First Manassas on July 21, 1861. Major David French Boyd, first president of LSU after the war, had fought with the Louisiana troops in Virginia and knew the reputation of both the Tiger Rifles and Washington Artillery.
Thus when LSU football teams entered the gridiron battlefields in their fourth year of intercollegiate competition, they tagged themselves as the 'Tigers'.
It was the 1955 LSU 'fourth-quarter ball club' that helped the moniker 'Tigers' grow into the nickname, 'Fighting Tigers'.
Thanks to Arthur W. Bergeron, Jr., PhD., a historian at the Pamplin Historical Park, for contributing to the above information.
Colors: Purple and Gold
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:09 pm to CSATiger
has anything been said about our civil war nickname? just curious.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:10 pm to mizzoukills
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has anything been said about our civil war nickname? just curious.
Nope. Y'all are irrelevant.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:11 pm to calitiger
calitiger
I grew up on a farm in a small community just north of Mexico, MO not far from Centralia. We played Centralia each year in football and basketball. They were in our high school conference. Nice battlefield there.
I like how you called Wilson's Creek by its Confederate name - Oak Hills.
You'll like it. Very scenic. Very pristine. You can almost see the battle taking place in the cornfield and you can stand on Bloody Hill and imagine firing cannon balls down on the advancing troops. If you close your eyes, you may hear cannon fire and gunshots in the breeze, or the shouts of men in the rustling of leaves. You can stand on the bridge and imagine soldiers sprinting across or falling wounded into red creek water.
The ghosts at Wilson's Creek speak volumes to anyone who listens hard enough. Wilson's Creek is alive much like Gettysburg, Bull Run, and any other battle site.
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I really like Centralia (just east of Columbia).
I grew up on a farm in a small community just north of Mexico, MO not far from Centralia. We played Centralia each year in football and basketball. They were in our high school conference. Nice battlefield there.
I like how you called Wilson's Creek by its Confederate name - Oak Hills.
You'll like it. Very scenic. Very pristine. You can almost see the battle taking place in the cornfield and you can stand on Bloody Hill and imagine firing cannon balls down on the advancing troops. If you close your eyes, you may hear cannon fire and gunshots in the breeze, or the shouts of men in the rustling of leaves. You can stand on the bridge and imagine soldiers sprinting across or falling wounded into red creek water.
The ghosts at Wilson's Creek speak volumes to anyone who listens hard enough. Wilson's Creek is alive much like Gettysburg, Bull Run, and any other battle site.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:11 pm to TPAWZ
quote:Never been to Sharpsburg, but I have been to Shiloh, and yes it did stir some odd feelings. Even moreso were several places at Gettysburg - the Peace Light Memorial and the stone wall in particular.
Just Curious, Have any of you ever walked bloody lane at Antitam or walked through Shiloh? I experienced a very odd feeling at both battlefields. I got goosebumps and the hair on the back of my neck stood up before I even got to the plaque on bloody lane. Once I saw the plaque with the picture of the lane just after the battle I instantly understood why I got the heebie jeebies. The sunken road called bloody lane was completely full of dead bodies.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:12 pm to AU86
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General Pat Cleburne was a hell of a general: "The Stonewall of the West". Yankees dreaded seeing that Hardee Flag coming because they knew that it meant that Cleburnes Division was on the field.
...and when the Confederate battle flags were standardized to the 'Stars and Bars', Cleburnes' division was allowed to keep their distinctive blue flags.
"Well Govan, if we are to die, let us die like men."
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:21 pm to NCrawler
It's amazing how we all eventually romanticize war and battle, when in fact for a moment in time it was absolute Hell on Earth for everyone involved.
Some of the quotes to come out of the Civil War are incredible. It's hard to imagine someone saying something so calm to other men (and women) in a time of extreme duress and likely death. Though, the same can be said of soldiers in all wars throughout all time.
It's an amazing window into the human psyche and condition, of which most of us will never experience.
Some of the quotes to come out of the Civil War are incredible. It's hard to imagine someone saying something so calm to other men (and women) in a time of extreme duress and likely death. Though, the same can be said of soldiers in all wars throughout all time.
It's an amazing window into the human psyche and condition, of which most of us will never experience.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:25 pm to mizzoukills
Deep Thoughts by Mizzoukills....
didn't know ya had it in you.
didn't know ya had it in you.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:29 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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I can say that the Mizzou football team - both black players and white players - was waving the black flag of William Quantrill in their locker room after the final football win over ku this year. Truth.
I really hate to hear that. The war between the bushwackers and jayhawks was absolutely brutal. There were no good guys, Quantrill included. Entirely too many unarmed, innocent, or civilian men killed along with women children, not mention countless rapes, thefts, and livestock/crop razings performed by BOTH sides. Regardless of how you feel about slavery, or which side you may have wanted to win the war, those types of actions are a far cry from honorable military service. It's not something that should be made light of or celebrated IMO and certainly shouldn't be trivialized by lowering it to the level of a football rivalry.
That being said, I have thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread. I'd never heard of a Sandlapper before. I'll have to relay that to my family. One of the fields that I grew up farming has real sandy white dirt. I bet my folks get a kick out of it.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:34 pm to TPAWZ
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Just Curious, Have any of you ever walked bloody lane at Antitam or walked through Shiloh? I experienced a very odd feeling at both battlefields. I got goosebumps and the hair on the back of my neck stood up before I even got to the plaque on bloody lane. Once I saw the plaque with the picture of the lane just after the battle I instantly understood why I got the heebie jeebies. The sunken road called bloody lane was completely full of dead bodies.
General John B Gordon was commanding Alabama troops in the Bloody Lane. He was shot five times and survived! One of the balls passed through his cheek and afterward he said that when he fell his face landed inside his kepi. He said that he thought that he would have drowned in his own blood had it not been for a bullet hole in his kepi that allowed the blood to leak out. I have walked "The Bloody Lane" several times and Sharpsburg is indeed a beutiful battlefield.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:38 pm to mizzoukills
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It's amazing how we all eventually romanticize war and battle, when in fact for a moment in time it was absolute Hell on Earth for everyone involved.
Some of the quotes to come out of the Civil War are incredible. It's hard to imagine someone saying something so calm to other men (and women) in a time of extreme duress and likely death. Though, the same can be said of soldiers in all wars throughout all time.
It's an amazing window into the human psyche and condition, of which most of us will never experience.
Aye. Last time I was at the Franklin battlefield in Tennessee I had the pleasure of meeting and talking with Eric Jacobson. He has a way of talking about the battle that will give you chills. Here's an example: LINK
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:39 pm to Tds & Beer
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has anything been said about our civil war nickname? just curious.
what was it again?
the grinders?
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:41 pm to AU86
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Never been to Sharpsburg, but I have been to Shiloh, and yes it did stir some odd feelings. Even moreso were several places at Gettysburg - the Peace Light Memorial and the stone wall in particular.
If you want a creepy feeling go out to the Devil's Den at Gettysburg after dark! It's a unique experience. Walk out to the Trangular Field leading up to the ridge that is in front of Devil's Den. The Triangular Field is said to be the most haunted place on the battlefield, if you believe in that kind of stuff. I am going to do it again next week. The "Slaughter Pen" is on the other side and it leads up to Little Round Top through "The Valley of Death".
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 1:54 pm to mizzoukills
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I grew up on a farm in a small community just north of Mexico, MO not far from Centralia. We played Centralia each year in football and basketball. They were in our high school conference. Nice battlefield there.
Yeah, a funny story. I was sitting at Flat Branch one day having beers with friends and these two girls were talking next to me. They were obviously recent grads of Mizzou. Anyway, one girl says, "I just got this great job in Mexico and it starts in a few days." Well, this peaked my interest so I turned around and said "Mexico?, How interesting, but it's a dangerous damned place. You are awfully courageous for moving there." Of course, she meant Mexico, MO. I had recently moved to Columbia so she was forgiving of my ignorance.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 2:02 pm to MaroonNation
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What is the Arkansas fascination with a knife. Bowie, a MISSISSIPPIAN by birth, developed his Bowie knife In Mississippi and his exploits at Natchez under the hill are legendary, but Mississippians today aren't obsessed with Bowie knives.
Arkansans aren't obsessed with Bowie knives either. Here's a link re: Washington, AR and James Black, who was a blacksmith during that era and made a lot of these knives, including the "toothpicks" which were very large daggers. Bowie Knife
Historic Washington State Park
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 2:03 pm to NCrawler
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Aye. Last time I was at the Franklin battlefield in Tennessee I had the pleasure of meeting and talking with Eric Jacobson. He has a way of talking about the battle that will give you chills. Here's an example: LINK
Eric Jacobson is a fantastic historian regarding Franklin. I am glad that they have finally gotten rid of that Pizza Joint and erected a memorial to Cleburne on the spot where he died.
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