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re: Civil War nicknames for SEC states..
Posted on 6/25/12 at 8:52 pm to Tackle74
Posted on 6/25/12 at 8:52 pm to Tackle74
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I believe it was Hemp Bales as Hemp was a major crop, cotton was more a SEMO & Bootheel Crop, Lexington is in Mid MO
True. Southeast Missouri grew (and still grows) cotton, beans, corn, milo, etc.
Lexington was in the Little Dixie area, I believe, that included the counties that were along the Missouri River. Hemp was a big cash crop for them. Jesse James father grew hemp, and would take it down the river to trade/sell it. Mr. James was also a minister, who started a big church. He went on a mission trip out west when Jessee was young and died there. There were laws then that prohibited women from inheriting, and they almost lost everything. His mother remarried so that they wouldn't lose the farm. Her third husband was a judge. They lost just about everything to the jayhawkers, who burned their farm and hung the judge. That's why Jesse and Frank never stopped fighting the war - they hated Yankees and felt like their lives were stolen from them. Their first robberies were banks/trains that carried money belonging to known Yankees and sympathizers.
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Posted on 6/25/12 at 8:54 pm to Jobu93
Not far from my home is a mass grave holding the remains of 80 Texans killed in action at Bayou Bourbeau. We worked to have an historical marker placed nearby to honor them. The actual location is not advertised to prevent relic hunters from digging. Texas stars and buckles are very valuable.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 9:10 pm to AU86
quote:Lived in Alabama all my life and have not heard that version before.
AU86
But this is the version and the reason that the yellowhammer was named the state bird....
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The bill to make the yellow-hammer the official bird of Alabama was introduced in the Alabama Legislature by Representative Thomas E. Martin of Montgomery County.
The yellow-hammer became the official bird of Alabama when the legislation was signed by Governor David Bibb Graves on September 6, 1927.
According to George Earlie Shankle, Ph.D.,
"The members of the above-named legislative body officially selected this bird as the avian emblem of Alabama because the cavalrymen of the Confederate Army wore gray uniforms trimmed with yellow, the colors of the yellowhammer having suggested these gray and yellow uniforms."
More specifically, the term relates back to a particular incident that took place in Hopkinsville, Kentucky during the War Between the States.
A company of young Confederate cavalry soldiers from Huntsville, Alabama, under the command of Rev. D.C. Kelly, joined a group of seasoned veterans under the command of Gen. Bedford Forrest in Hopkinsville.
The young cavalry arrived in fine new uniforms, accented on the sleeves, collars, and coat tails with bright yellow fabric. As the young soldiers paraded past the seasoned veterans, in their faded, worn uniforms, the contrast in attire was noted.
One veteran, Will Arnett, greeted these shiny new recruits, calling out "Yallerhammer, yallerhammer, flicker, flicker!"
The Huntsville veterans roared with laughter and from that moment on the raw Huntsville cavalry were known as the "Yellowhammer Company."
The story spread throughout the Confederate Army and in time all Alabama troops were unofficially referred to as Yellowhammers.
Later, Alabama Confederate veterans took pride in being referred to as "Yellowhammers" and wore yellow feathers in their caps or lapels during post-war reunions.
The old Civil War story has since inspired people to refer to Alabama as the Yellowhammer State and, at times, to its citizens as "Yellowhammers".
Alabama Department of Archives and History
This post was edited on 6/25/12 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 6/25/12 at 9:20 pm to jatebe
Battle of the Hemp Bales, right!!!! My bad. Nice little battlefield area. You can still see the Yankee entrenchments and the house around which most of the battle was fought has an interesting history. The Confederate Monument is near there as well and it's worth seeing. That's a nice little drive from Independence to Liberty to Kearney to Richmond to Excelsior Springs to Lexington. I've done it a couple of times and by the end of it you have a good idea of Missouri history from the Civil War through Reconstruction.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 9:53 pm to calitiger
Another great spot is Wilson's Creek National Battlefield in SW MO @ Republic (just west of Springfield). One of the best preserved battlefields in the country and has a great museum right off site that is now a part of the park. Head down to right outside Rogers, AR for Pea Ridge and you have the 2 battles that kept Missouri from fully joining the confederacy.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 10:16 pm to Tackle74
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Another great spot is Wilson's Creek National Battlefield in SW MO @ Republic (just west of Springfield). One of the best preserved battlefields in the country and has a great museum right off site that is now a part of the park. Head down to right outside Rogers, AR for Pea Ridge and you have the 2 battles that kept Missouri from fully joining the confederacy.
Spot on man. I've been on staff rides at both.
When in Fayetteville, everyone needs to visit the Confederate Cemetery, very humbling. Soldiers from Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri and Texas.
This post was edited on 6/25/12 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 6/25/12 at 11:03 pm to SLC
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When in Fayetteville, everyone needs to visit the Confederate Cemetery, very humbling. Soldiers from Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri and Texas.
Are there many Union soldiers? I've been there but can't remember.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:02 am to Tackle74
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Another great spot is Wilson's Creek National Battlefield in SW MO @ Republic (just west of Springfield).
I've been to Pea Ridge but have yet to visit Wilson's Creek. One of my Missouri Confederate ancestors was actually killed at Pea Ridge/Elkhorn Tavern. I would also recommend the Prairie Grove battlefield which is near fayetteville. Thanks for the rec about the cemetery in Fayetteville. I'll have to check it out next time I'm down that way.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 9:00 am to calitiger
The Confederate Cemetary at Keachie, LA
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 9:13 am
Posted on 6/26/12 at 9:23 am to Porky
What is the Arkansas fascination with a knife. Bowie, a MISSISSIPPIAN by birth, developed his Bowie knife In Mississippi and his exploits at Natchez under the hill are legendary, but Mississippians today aren't obsessed with Bowie knives.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 9:46 am to MaroonNation
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but Mississippians today aren't obsessed with Bowie knives.
Pussies?
ETA: j/k
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/26/12 at 9:50 am to dwr353
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Not far from my home is a mass grave holding the remains of 80 Texans killed in action at Bayou Bourbeau. We worked to have an historical marker placed nearby to honor them. The actual location is not advertised to prevent relic hunters from digging. Texas stars and buckles are very valuable.
A few years ago, the remains of six unidentified Confederate soldiers were found when a crew was cutting a new road close to Helena, AR. There was a big ceremony during the Cleburne memorial that year and they were reburied across from General Cleburnes grave. Lots of reenactors from all over the South were in attendance.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:41 am to NCrawler
General Sterling Price's official report on Pea Ridge/Elkhorn Tavern mentioning my ancestor Col. Benjamin Rives, commanding officer of the 3rd Missouri Infantry. I also had five other ancestors who fought in that regiment including my namesake...."It was then that I lost two officers of whom any nation might be proud. The one, Col. Benjamin A. Rives, fell in the prime of his manhood, at the zenith of his usefulness. No braver or more gallant officer, no more accomplished gentleman, no more unselfish patriot ever led a regiment or died for his country's honor. The other, [S.] Churchill Clark, was, as Colonel Little justly observes in his report, "a child in simplicity and piety of character, a boy in years, but a soldier in spirit and a hero in action? They fell at the very close of the hard-fought battle, well-deserving the glowing praises which their immediate commander bestows upon them." 
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:47 am to NCrawler
Also people forget that Missouri had several regiments that fought at the Battle of Mansfield, La and did so well. After the surrender many of these MO POWs were loaded on the ship Kentucky for transport. Just below Shreveport the boiler blew and it went down killing most all of them. Later the river changed. Just below the end of the Clyde Fant Parkway, mostly up in the bank lies the remains of the Kentucky and those brave Missouri Confederates.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 10:49 am to MaroonNation
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What is the Arkansas fascination with a knife. Bowie, a MISSISSIPPIAN by birth, developed his Bowie knife In Mississippi and his exploits at Natchez under the hill are legendary, but Mississippians today aren't obsessed with Bowie knives.
Might have been a MIss by birth, but he developed the knife while living in Avoyelles Parish, LA
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 10:52 am
Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:18 am to MaroonNation
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Bowie, a MISSISSIPPIAN by birth
That only proves Bowie was one of the smartest Mississipians of all time... by moving to Arkansas.
Fact: the Arkansas toothpick and the Bowie knife are not one in the same though many believe that.
Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:33 am to CSATiger
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A few years ago, the remains of six unidentified Confederate soldiers were found when a crew was cutting a new road close to Helena, AR. There was a big ceremony during the Cleburne memorial that year and they were reburied across from General Cleburnes grave. Lots of reenactors from all over the South were in attendance.
General Pat Cleburne was a hell of a general: "The Stonewall of the West". Yankees dreaded seeing that Hardee Flag coming because they knew that it meant that Cleburnes Division was on the field.
"The Army of Tennessee would charge into Hell with nothing but a cornstalk"
Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:53 am to CSATiger
I live less than 5 miles from Wilson's Creek Battlefield outside of Springfield, MO. It's a pristine battlefield that has managed to remain almost exactly how it appeared 150+ years ago.
Is it as elaborate as some of the larger and more famous battlefields across the country? No. However, that's exactly why it's great. Wilson's Creek isn't overwhelmed with a dizzying array of monuments honoring every General, Captain, regiment, charge, etc. The battlefield appears the way it looked during the war, and the historical story and memoriam is reserved for the museum.
I've toured many famous Civil War battlefields across the country. Vicksburg stands out most in my mind. However, it was almost too overwhelming to drive thru Vicksburg. Vicksburg is monument after monument after monument that seems like it'll never end. Eventually, you start to focus on each monument rather than the battlefield.
Don't get me wrong...Vicksburg was a great experience. And, that battle was far more significant than Wilson's Creek. It was the turn of the war.
But I believe that the battlefield at Vicksburg would be far better with fewer monuments so that visitors could focus on the battlefield itself. However, the most interesting thing at Vicksburg is the restored ironclad ship, the U.S.S. Cairo, which sunk during the battle and laid on the bottom of the river for 100 years.
Is it as elaborate as some of the larger and more famous battlefields across the country? No. However, that's exactly why it's great. Wilson's Creek isn't overwhelmed with a dizzying array of monuments honoring every General, Captain, regiment, charge, etc. The battlefield appears the way it looked during the war, and the historical story and memoriam is reserved for the museum.
I've toured many famous Civil War battlefields across the country. Vicksburg stands out most in my mind. However, it was almost too overwhelming to drive thru Vicksburg. Vicksburg is monument after monument after monument that seems like it'll never end. Eventually, you start to focus on each monument rather than the battlefield.
Don't get me wrong...Vicksburg was a great experience. And, that battle was far more significant than Wilson's Creek. It was the turn of the war.
But I believe that the battlefield at Vicksburg would be far better with fewer monuments so that visitors could focus on the battlefield itself. However, the most interesting thing at Vicksburg is the restored ironclad ship, the U.S.S. Cairo, which sunk during the battle and laid on the bottom of the river for 100 years.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:01 pm to mizzoukills
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I've toured many famous Civil War battlefields across the country. Vicksburg stands out most in my mind. However, it was almost too overwhelming to drive thru Vicksburg. Vicksburg is monument after monument after monument that seems like it'll never end. Eventually, you start to focus on each monument rather than the battlefield.
If you want to talk monuments: one word..Gettysburg. Been there several times.. going to Gettysburg and Sharpsburg(Antietam)next week.
The only NMP that I have not been to is Wilson's Creek and Pea Ridge. I want to get out there one day.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 6/26/12 at 12:07 pm to AU86
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If you want to talk monuments: one word..Gettysburg
Exactly. Been there once. Don't get me wrong, it's a great and sobering experience.
However, it's nice to have a large battlefield less than 5 miles from my home that is in pristine condition and not overwhelmed with monuments.
Here's a tidbit about Wilson's Creek:
The Battle of Wilson's Creek, also known as the Battle of Oak Hills, was the first major battle of the Western Theater of the American Civil War. Fought on August 10, 1861, near Springfield, Missouri between Union forces and the Missouri State Guard, it is sometimes called the "Bull Run of the West."
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