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2024 Recruiting/Portal
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:51 am
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:51 am
These are incoming recruits + incoming transfers as of today, and I'm sure the numbers will keep going up..
For example..
Oklahoma has 44 new players and 41 or less returning..
that is almost like 2 recruiting classes from just 5 years ago..
For example..
Oklahoma has 44 new players and 41 or less returning..
that is almost like 2 recruiting classes from just 5 years ago..
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 9:13 am
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:56 am to BigBro
A lot of those are walk ons transferring to get scholarships at other schools.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:09 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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A lot of those are walk ons transferring to get scholarships at other schools.
These are all incoming numbers.. outgoing isn't shown.. I'll update OP to clarify..
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:10 am to BigBro
quote:Interesting numbers. So, it’s probably safe to assume a signing class has a 2-year shelf life.
As of today, and I'm sure the numbers will keep going up..
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 9:11 am
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:11 am to BevoBucks
2 years is being optimistic
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:17 am to BigBro
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This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 9:18 am
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:19 am to BevoBucks
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So, it’s probably safe to assume a signing class has a 2-year shelf life.
Not necessarily.. a lot of transfers will only play for only 1 year..
the best high school kids will likely play for 3 years and then head to the draft
High School
Year 1 - 25
Year 2 - 20
Year 3 - 15
Year 4 - 10
Year 5 - 5
Something like that would be my guess.. that would allow you to take around 10 new transfers a year.. it's going to create a lot of parity I would think..
1) Evaluation of Talent
2) Development of Talent
Recruiting won't be as important with NIL imo..
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:19 am to Old Sarge
quote:Sure. There’s definitely outliers & staff changes affect things too. But, even if the bulk make it to their sophomore year, the staff only has about 24 mos to produce results. That’s wild given the massive investment of resources it takes to build a quality HS class.
2 years is being optimistic
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:25 am to BigBro
quote:Agreed. Why pay the premium for a brand new car and take the depreciation hit, when you can buy a like new, one owner deal and get similar value?
Recruiting won't be as important with NIL imo..
Lane’s pioneering that model. And, if he wins anything of note, I expect a lot of copycats.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:39 am to BevoBucks
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Agreed. Why pay the premium for a brand new car and take the depreciation hit, when you can buy a like new, one owner deal and get similar value?
Lane’s pioneering that model. And, if he wins anything of note, I expect a lot of copycats.
I would suggest that whatever has been accomplished in college football has already started and is well underway in college basketball. Top teams are rebuilding their entire roster every year and it's not the one-and-done teams of yesteryear. The transfer portal brings instant experience and reps to any team in any division. And can fill any weak spot instantly. The teams that recruit well, as a base, seem to still have the advantage.
It obvious that Kiffin struggles to recruit and always has. That is tough and expensive if you are the Ole Miss Collective. With so many players, it stands to reason that recruiting is still going to be a big part of postseason success.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:48 am to bamameister
quote:Agree. But, very few teams can afford spending on the portal & on keeping the HS talent they’ve developed.
The teams that recruit well, as a base, seem to still have the advantage.
quote:He’s recruiting college players extremely well. The last guy to reach his level of success at OM has his name on the stadium.
It obvious that Kiffin struggles to recruit and always has.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:50 am to BevoBucks
To add on to your point. There’s a big jump from HS to College.
Some kids perform according to forecast
Some kids fall below expectations
Some kids are performing well and want to transfer because they aren’t starting
Some kids can’t handle the freedom of college and have discipline issues
So because of these factors…Performance at the college level is more of a known commodity.
Some kids perform according to forecast
Some kids fall below expectations
Some kids are performing well and want to transfer because they aren’t starting
Some kids can’t handle the freedom of college and have discipline issues
So because of these factors…Performance at the college level is more of a known commodity.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:54 am to bamameister
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I would suggest that whatever has been accomplished in college football has already started and is well underway in college basketball.
Basketball is 100x worse. I don’t see half of the SEC swapping their entire football teams.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 10:01 am to AGGIES
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To add on to your point. There’s a big jump from HS to College.
Some kids perform according to forecast
Some kids fall below expectations
Some kids are performing well and want to transfer because they aren’t starting
Some kids can’t handle the freedom of college and have discipline issues
So because of these factors…Performance at the college level is more of a known commodity.
Some kids develop later..
Some kids had little to no coaching in high school..
Some kids didn't play football or hardly at all in high school..
Some kids are simply overlooked for whatever reason..
Some kids don't have the measurables but keep proving it on the field..
Some kids have grade issues..
Some kids have maturity issues..
and it goes on and on and on..
Bottom line: For as long as I can remember, kids from lower level schools get drafted every year.. Just because someone plays for Podunk U doesn't mean they can't play..
High school recruiting is important too.. but it would be hard to win a NC in Year 1 or 2 even if you got the best 25 in the whole country both years.
18-19 vs 21-23 is a huge difference
Posted on 5/3/24 at 10:10 am to Dallaswho
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Basketball is 100x worse. I don’t see half of the SEC swapping their entire football teams.
Yet. We are only 3 years into the great spending spree. The courts have left every door open for all malcontents and mercenary types to flourish.
Most of this unregulated greed is coming from the bidders, not the players. Once again, it's the adults in the room that will continue to need saving from themselves in our brave new world of NIL/Portals.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 10:17 am to BigBro
To be honest it's a different animal depending on how many of those are transfers vs recruits from high school.
Alabama and UGA have a tendency to "run off" players that they recruit who don't "hit". Bama used to call this "the process", the idea being that that recruits who miss leave to go elsewhere so Bama can keep bringing in large recruiting classes filled with highly ranked recruits. The ones who stay are "hits", the ones who transfer out are "misses" and it makes sure they always had the best talent on their roster.
UGA and Bama in their 2024 recruiting classes had 28 incoming freshmen. That means they had 12 (for Bama) and 9 (for UGA) transfers come in. I think for the most part both schools are still following "the process" where most of the outgoing players are "misses", they fill up the recruiting class to the max with high talent guys and supplement that with incoming transfers who are upgrades to outgoing transfers as well. The focus is still on the incoming recruiting class, but the transfer players add a bit to that.
Alabama and UGA have a tendency to "run off" players that they recruit who don't "hit". Bama used to call this "the process", the idea being that that recruits who miss leave to go elsewhere so Bama can keep bringing in large recruiting classes filled with highly ranked recruits. The ones who stay are "hits", the ones who transfer out are "misses" and it makes sure they always had the best talent on their roster.
UGA and Bama in their 2024 recruiting classes had 28 incoming freshmen. That means they had 12 (for Bama) and 9 (for UGA) transfers come in. I think for the most part both schools are still following "the process" where most of the outgoing players are "misses", they fill up the recruiting class to the max with high talent guys and supplement that with incoming transfers who are upgrades to outgoing transfers as well. The focus is still on the incoming recruiting class, but the transfer players add a bit to that.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 10:21 am to DawginSC
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I think for the most part both schools are still following "the process" where most of the outgoing players are "misses"
Obviously this isn’t always the case (Downs at Bama and AD Mitchel last year at UGA being prime examples) but it is indeed true in most cases. Even when they are quality players at other places (Matt Landers leaving UGA and doing well at Ark being an example).
Posted on 5/3/24 at 10:33 am to DawginSC
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Alabama and UGA have a tendency to "run off" players that they recruit who don't "hit". Bama used to call this "the process", the idea being that that recruits who miss leave to go elsewhere so Bama can keep bringing in large recruiting classes filled with highly ranked recruits. The ones who stay are "hits", the ones who transfer out are "misses" and it makes sure they always had the best talent on their roster.
But the loss of real depth has become an issue. And depth is where we find our next diamonds in the rough and starters. Most of the kids in the exit portal from BAMA and Georgia have very little interest in being backups at the next stop.
As soon as some of these same schools pick up starters in the portal we tend to lose more depth with youngsters who panic or just don't want to compete.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 11:31 am to bamameister
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But the loss of real depth has become an issue. And depth is where we find our next diamonds in the rough and starters. Most of the kids in the exit portal from BAMA and Georgia have very little interest in being backups at the next stop.
As soon as some of these same schools pick up starters in the portal we tend to lose more depth with youngsters who panic or just don't want to compete.
This is one area where Sark has really impressed me..
For the most part. he has sold guys on waiting their turn and providing depth in the process..
Until last week when CB Brooks hit the portal, I can't really think of 1 player in the 2-3 deep that I was upset about..
Some talented players have left, no doubt.. but when you are 3rd or 4th string after 2 years.. that means you are likely to get passed up by the younger guys soon.. I would imagine Sark learned this "process" from Saban.
I'm ready for some football.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 12:22 pm to BigBro
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his is one area where Sark has really impressed me..
For the most part. he has sold guys on waiting their turn and providing depth in the process..
Until last week when CB Brooks hit the portal, I can't really think of 1 player in the 2-3 deep that I was upset about..
Some talented players have left, no doubt.. but when you are 3rd or 4th string after 2 years.. that means you are likely to get passed up by the younger guys soon.. I would imagine Sark learned this "process" from Saban.
I'm ready for some football.
Didn't Blackshier just get in the portal, again?
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