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re: Up Vote, Down Vote: Do You Believe Gus Can Get the Job Done
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:27 am to undecided
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:27 am to undecided
I think it's pretty obvious with the way Gus is going after JUCO QBS, he knows he needs a dual-threat QB to run this offense like he wants to in this league.
My guess? He goes back to the 2010/2013/2014 offense next year with a QB that's not currently on the roster and either sinks or swims with it.
My guess? He goes back to the 2010/2013/2014 offense next year with a QB that's not currently on the roster and either sinks or swims with it.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:00 am to TheSandman
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Some of the dumbest crap that is spewed on this board.
Yea we only have years of evidence to back it up both with and without.
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Our receivers catch half the passes that were put right in their hands in Fayetteville and we blow the Razorbacks out of the stadium.
So one game against a mediocre team overrides the six years of proof that shows how much more successful our offense is with a QB that can run?
Yea, I'm the dumb one.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:05 am to undecided
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This is where I'm at. Hope for the best but expect the worst unfortunately
Yep. And I really do believe it - not like one of those generic, optimistic things you tell a kid. "You can do anything if you...." I think Gus has to overcome dumb-Gus to make it happen. He had better do it most ricky-tick or he won't be around for 2017.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:17 am to undecided
Been a big Gustav fan since I first heard about him back in '06.
Was a little ambivalent about him getting the HC gig in the wake of the Chiz fiasco, mainly because it smacked of typical AU GOB thinking. But my confidence in him was high, so I expected him to do a good job. I was further impressed when he cleaned house, which is something I felt was desperately needed.
2013 completely surprised me. He seemed confident and totally in command of the program, and it appeared that he was making all the right calls, and at the right times. And the team improved noticeably every game as the season progressed. I was thrilled at the prospect of having a bright young HC who seemed truly committed to AU, and capable of instilling a winning attitude without any of the chaos on and off the field of the previous half-decade. I felt like we were ready to consistently compete for championships and would be consistently one of the teams to beat in the SEC.
I don't believe any of that any more. The decision making we've seen this year, culminating in the bizarre, totally unfathomable 'strategy' in the 2nd half against UGa was the final nail in the coffin for me.
I'm not advocating his dismissal, as I don't seriously believe we would hire anyone significantly better at this point in time (if ever). It appears nowadays that fielding a consistent winner at a major conference school requires not only great recruiting, top-notch facilities, first-rate player development, and deep pockets, it also requires that the HC be given total control of the program, with virtually zero interference from well-meaning boosters and admins. I seriously doubt the hive mind that has run AU all these years would ever allow that, even if a Saban/Meyer/Harbaugh type HC could be identified. Replacing Gustav now would result in another bait-and-switch "search" and yet another underwhelming hire, and would cost us millions in the process. So we might as well sit tight for a few more 6-8 win seasons, because I think that's our historical upside, no matter who's on the sidelines.
Tl;dr version: assuming the "Get the Job Done" in the OP means being consistent amongst the top teams in the SEC (and by extension, all of FBS) then I must reluctantly hit the red arrow.
Was a little ambivalent about him getting the HC gig in the wake of the Chiz fiasco, mainly because it smacked of typical AU GOB thinking. But my confidence in him was high, so I expected him to do a good job. I was further impressed when he cleaned house, which is something I felt was desperately needed.
2013 completely surprised me. He seemed confident and totally in command of the program, and it appeared that he was making all the right calls, and at the right times. And the team improved noticeably every game as the season progressed. I was thrilled at the prospect of having a bright young HC who seemed truly committed to AU, and capable of instilling a winning attitude without any of the chaos on and off the field of the previous half-decade. I felt like we were ready to consistently compete for championships and would be consistently one of the teams to beat in the SEC.
I don't believe any of that any more. The decision making we've seen this year, culminating in the bizarre, totally unfathomable 'strategy' in the 2nd half against UGa was the final nail in the coffin for me.
I'm not advocating his dismissal, as I don't seriously believe we would hire anyone significantly better at this point in time (if ever). It appears nowadays that fielding a consistent winner at a major conference school requires not only great recruiting, top-notch facilities, first-rate player development, and deep pockets, it also requires that the HC be given total control of the program, with virtually zero interference from well-meaning boosters and admins. I seriously doubt the hive mind that has run AU all these years would ever allow that, even if a Saban/Meyer/Harbaugh type HC could be identified. Replacing Gustav now would result in another bait-and-switch "search" and yet another underwhelming hire, and would cost us millions in the process. So we might as well sit tight for a few more 6-8 win seasons, because I think that's our historical upside, no matter who's on the sidelines.
Tl;dr version: assuming the "Get the Job Done" in the OP means being consistent amongst the top teams in the SEC (and by extension, all of FBS) then I must reluctantly hit the red arrow.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:30 am to FearlessFreep
Why does Gus run tempo the first series, score a TD then slow down the offense? I just don't get his thought process this year.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:50 am to Rhino5
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JJ is a running QB
Is this a serious post? what gives you this idea, the one fluke run against LSU? Some of his runs he looks like he barely has the coordination to put one foot in front of the other. Watch some of his "runs" from the Georgia game, he runs straight up, sometimes with some weird reverse body lean, he has incredibly slow, heavy feet as well. His lateral movement is god awful also.
If we are being honest about JJ, he is playing out of position and should probably consider a position change next spring.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:57 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Yea, White is more of a running QB when healthy than JJ.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:42 pm to Rhino5
quote:I have to disagree with that. I wouldn't have even called him a true dual threat out of high school. I don't believe he even had over 1100 yards total rushing the football in 3 years of being the starter in high school and most of those were in his senior year. He was known for his arm strength and ability to throw the ball a mile. Umm Jamarcus Russell although he turned out a little better id say
JJ is a running QB
Posted on 11/16/15 at 2:28 pm to DuncanIdaho
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I didn't have that feeling at all about Chizik in 2012
I was ready for chizik to go after the Kentucky game in 09 it was only his first season here as hc . but I don't care how bad we sucked the previous year losing to kentucky and vandy is/and never should be acceptable when it comes to Auburn football.
he did nothing to impress me in 2011 under chizik we had atleast 13 total blowout loses
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:01 pm to BoomNation
Geez I guess you would have fired Nick Saban after losing to ULM too?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:09 pm to undecided
I say yes. We don't have a qb and had a defense learning a new scheme that was the worst in the entire SEC until 3 weeks ago.
Given that, we still have only lost 1 game by more than 1 score.
We need a quality qb, and with the way Muschamp has the D going, we can certainly turn those close losses into close wins.
Given that, we still have only lost 1 game by more than 1 score.
We need a quality qb, and with the way Muschamp has the D going, we can certainly turn those close losses into close wins.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:15 pm to BoomNation
I have 0 faith and here's why.
Take away NM and Cam his record is much worse. Probably 7-8 wins max per year. Cam and NM were able to hide his inconsistencies often with their athletic abilities.
It doesn't matter if we have Elite 11 winner Sean White or Peyton Manning. Gus's passing game is completely Micky Mouse. Sean White would be lighting score boards up at Baylor TamU Okie S ect.. He's lucky to get 12 pass attempts here and half are going to be bubble screens.
Speaking of which. When's the last time one has gone for more that 3 yards? Just another example of how he refuses to change.
We can never put any team away because every time something is working for us offensively we stop doing it.
We were killing UGA with JR up the middle and mixing in some sweeps to the wrs. Next thing you know JR is out and not another sweep is ran.
Same shite different week.
Here's what Gus CAN get done.
Bubble screens for both gain.
Sub in JJ when Sean White is on Fire.
Run wildcat for no reason.
Go three and out when defense needs to rest.
Go three and out passing when we need to chew clock.
Throw hail Mary when we need 6 yards.
Need 12 yards for first down? QB draw
His only chance to "get the job done" is to land another guy like NM or Cam who can run around and make magic happen with his legs.
If we don't have that and we have to rely on his offense and play calling to win us games then we'll continue to be a 7-9 win team.
Take away NM and Cam his record is much worse. Probably 7-8 wins max per year. Cam and NM were able to hide his inconsistencies often with their athletic abilities.
It doesn't matter if we have Elite 11 winner Sean White or Peyton Manning. Gus's passing game is completely Micky Mouse. Sean White would be lighting score boards up at Baylor TamU Okie S ect.. He's lucky to get 12 pass attempts here and half are going to be bubble screens.
Speaking of which. When's the last time one has gone for more that 3 yards? Just another example of how he refuses to change.
We can never put any team away because every time something is working for us offensively we stop doing it.
We were killing UGA with JR up the middle and mixing in some sweeps to the wrs. Next thing you know JR is out and not another sweep is ran.
Same shite different week.
Here's what Gus CAN get done.
Bubble screens for both gain.
Sub in JJ when Sean White is on Fire.
Run wildcat for no reason.
Go three and out when defense needs to rest.
Go three and out passing when we need to chew clock.
Throw hail Mary when we need 6 yards.
Need 12 yards for first down? QB draw
His only chance to "get the job done" is to land another guy like NM or Cam who can run around and make magic happen with his legs.
If we don't have that and we have to rely on his offense and play calling to win us games then we'll continue to be a 7-9 win team.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:17 pm to undecided
In a train wreck of a season, he has not lost the team. That gives me hope he can get it done.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:20 pm to AUtigR24
One more time.
Gus can only run a winning offense at this level with a QB that is very mobile and can handle a lot of runs. He can not set up a offense or run a offense against good defenses with a passing attack. The passing attack must be secondary.
He needs a qb that can be mobile and take the pressure of making a lot of design run to keep the defenses off balance so receivers can get open for easy passes.
This again is why Sean White is not the answer to what we need.
Gus can only run a winning offense at this level with a QB that is very mobile and can handle a lot of runs. He can not set up a offense or run a offense against good defenses with a passing attack. The passing attack must be secondary.
He needs a qb that can be mobile and take the pressure of making a lot of design run to keep the defenses off balance so receivers can get open for easy passes.
This again is why Sean White is not the answer to what we need.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:22 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Some of his runs he looks like he barely has the coordination to put one foot in front of the other.
He has to be one of the ugliest runners I have ever seen.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:55 pm to LanierSpots
quote:You mean like Mitch Mustain/Casey Dick/Robert Johnson at Arky in 2006 (Team: #31 total offense, #29 scoring offense; QBs rushing: 25 carries, minus 36 yards).
He needs a qb that can be mobile and take the pressure of making a lot of design run to keep the defenses off balance so receivers can get open for easy passes.
Or perhaps Paul Smith at Tulsa in 2007 (Team: #1 total offense, #1 scoring offense; QB rushing 115 carries, 119 yards).
Or maybe David Johnson at Tulsa the following year in '08 (Team: #1 total offense, #2 scoring offense; QB rushing 92 carries, 186 yards).
And don't forget this guy:
44 carries, minus 116 yards on the #16 total offense/#17 scoring offense.
And that highlights what I find most distressing about this season, and our prospects going forward: the idea that Gustav no longer can coach a productive offense without a Cam/Nick caliber runner under center.
I can't imagine he's somehow forgotten how he did it as recently as 6 years ago. And yet evidence indicates that he just might have....
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:12 pm to FearlessFreep
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I can't imagine he's somehow forgotten how he did it as recently as 6 years ago. And yet evidence indicates that he just might have
This is what has confused me so much this year. We knew JJ wasn't going to be a Cam/Nick type runner but the response was always, "Look what he did with Chris Todd". I was confident that Gus could fit the offense to JJ/Sean's skill set. His inability to do so has been a shock.
What happened between 2009 and now that Gus can not adjust his offense.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:34 pm to undecided
quote:This. There is no apparent answer.
What happened between 2009 and now that Gus can not adjust his offense
That was the thing about 2013-14, I thought the zone read running game WAS the adjustment from his 'traditional' offense, which combined a vertical passing game with a simple but effective rushing attack, utilizing a minimal number of plays disguised by different formations and lots of motion. About 3 games in, Nick's speed and ability to make the correct reads became apparent, and diminished the importance of throwing the ball, other than to keep the defense from stacking the box on every play.
Gustav's apparent sudden inability to alter his offensive strategy based on the skillset of his QB is the most baffling part. He's been doing it his entire coaching career - what the hell happened?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 5:06 pm to FearlessFreep
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I can't imagine he's somehow forgotten how he did it as recently as 6 years ago. And yet evidence indicates that he just might have.
Come on man. Todd racked up some big yards at times on easy opponents. We also sucked arse in 2009. I totally agree that we can be a 8-5 or maybe a 9-4 team with a QB like White. No doubt. But if we want to be dominate again, it will be with a mobile QB. If you have not noticed that by now, no argument will convince you
And dont bring that Tulsa shite. This is not the Wac or Conference USA or whatever minor league that team is from.
One successful year with Arkansas where he leaned don a major running game is no match for what he did in 2010 and 2013f with the right QB. Look at all his other years here and see what he did. fricking sucked arse.
You guys will eventually realize it and get it. No mobile QB for Gus, no dominate offense.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 5:08 pm to undecided
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. I was confident that Gus could fit the offense to JJ/Sean's skill set. His inability to do so has been a shock.
It really wasn't but everyone was so convinced that we were going to throw it around in the SEC with his offense. Didnt happen and it wont happen.
But some of you can keep dreaming.
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