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re: The NCAA rules committe is retarded
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:46 pm to AU03ALUM
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:46 pm to AU03ALUM
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I won't affect Auburn.
Maybe not as much as it would affect other teams, but it would affect us somewhat. Moreso, though, I don't like the precedent of allowing Saban to change rules based on what's convenient/strategically beneficial for him. Gus needs to drive up there and stick it to all of them.
I'd be pissed if my coach was such a gigantic pussy.
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:48 pm to AU03ALUM
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I won't affect Auburn
It actually will. Gus gets people to the line of scrimmage with the threat of snapping the ball. This keeps D's from substituting. If the D knows they have at least 10 seconds, they will have time to run people on and off the field. Gus' O is designed to wear D's out. This change would definitely affect Gus' O.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:51 pm to polydorr
Who votes on this. Does every school get a vote?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:52 pm to AU03ALUM
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Even though I think the rule is pathetic and ridiculous, I won't affect Auburn.
the fact isn't that we don't snap the ball for 10 secs anyways...it's that we CAN snap it in 10 seconds and they cannot substitute...which wears down the players on the field
you will never see Gus rolling his fingers again saying "do it again" again if this passes...it will completely throw off his strategy and it's all because Bert and Nick cannot keep up with the times
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:53 pm to polydorr
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but it would affect us somewhat.
It was extremely rare that we got a play off in 10 seconds. Auburn doesn't work like that. We run a NH, not a HUNH. On occasion we do HUNH but it is very rare. I can only remember a few times that we actually got the ball snapped before 10 seconds. Gus gets the boys up to the line, makes the adjustments and then runs the play.
I know that you know this but I don't think you are thinking about how much time runs off the clock while we are getting set and adjusting.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:56 pm to AU03ALUM
I agree with that but what is the difference in waiting until 8 seconds to go to the line and make our adjustments. It will basically be the same thing. Also, the offense will not change. Getting subs in on the defense isn't going to mean they can stop what we do. It's up to the players on defense to make the right read.
ETA: how many times are we lined up and ready to go before 10 seconds? Not a lot.
ETA: how many times are we lined up and ready to go before 10 seconds? Not a lot.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:58 pm to AU03ALUM
quote:It was a good amount more than a few times. We'd run 4-5 of the same play in a row and snap it within 10 seconds on some drives. It's the threat that we can snap the ball quickly that helps Malzahn's offense perform at a high efficiency w/o allowing the defense to substitute.
I can only remember a few times that we actually got the ball snapped before 10 seconds.
Herb Hand made the best argument for this rule to be turned down. He said what if a team has the ball down 14 with 5:30 left to go in the game.. why should the offense have to wait 10 seconds to snap it if they don't have 10 seconds to spare and its not under the 2 minute mark yet.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 2:59 pm to AU03ALUM
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It was extremely rare that we got a play off in 10 seconds.
No doubt, but in its ideal form Gus' offense would be doing it way more often. It's part of the thought pattern of our players.
And like I said, the biggest part of this is allowing other coaches to come and change rules that are inconvenient for them. Saban shouldn't have free reign to do that.
(And I don't care how involved Bielema is, he is playing second fiddle to Nick.)
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:04 pm to polydorr
I predict the time change will pass. The committee is a joke. Gus will adjust.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:04 pm to polydorr
Excellent point from Herb. I never thought about that situation. I guess we are ready before 10 more than I think. I didn't actually mean a few as in a handful but as compared to the amount of plays we ran all year, not that much.
I agree that saban shouldn't be able to do this and yes, Bert is scared and dick riding.
I agree that saban shouldn't be able to do this and yes, Bert is scared and dick riding.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:05 pm to bird35
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Who votes on this. Does every school get a vote?
from what I gather, no... the rules committee made up of coaches/administrators/etc has made it's recommendation... the NCAA then has a committee that will vote on March 6th whether to adopt it or not.
FWIW, I can't find out who makes up the NCAA's committee.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:05 pm to allin2010
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Gus will adjust
That is basically my point. It won't take much to make the adjustment.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:08 pm to LA kid but AU fan
The 10 second rule is good for Au.
It will not affect our offense at all bec we rarely snap the ball before the :29 mark anyways.
On defense, it will allow our defensive subs to get in position faster and more efficiently.
AU's defense has been our weak spot and this rule will assist without hurting our offense.
It will not affect our offense at all bec we rarely snap the ball before the :29 mark anyways.
On defense, it will allow our defensive subs to get in position faster and more efficiently.
AU's defense has been our weak spot and this rule will assist without hurting our offense.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:09 pm to parkjas2001
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The 10 second rule is good for Au
Uh? No?
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AU's defense has been our weak spot and this rule will assist without hurting our offense.
Our defensive problems weren't because substitution difficulties
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:10 pm to GenesChin
well it wont hurt our D.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:12 pm to parkjas2001
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The 10 second rule is good for Au.
I don't follow. You're going to have to explain to me how this is good for us.
Beyond not having the option to snap the ball quickly (what's the point of a play clock anyway if you can't play), it takes away one of Gus' favorite tools which is to repeat a successful play before the opposing defense can adjust.
Further than that, it will basically be a big middle finger to Auburn (among others) and a big thumbs up to Saban.
We've never had a problem subbing on defense before, one notable Swain flop notwithstanding.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:13 pm to parkjas2001
quote:No it's not.
The 10 second rule is good for Au.
quote:You guys don't get it. It's the threat that we can run the ball down their throat without allowing them to substitute. They don't substitute, the D is worn down by the 4th Q, and we strike with vengeance. This rule essentially kills that entire notion by keeping defensive players fresh.
It will not affect our offense at all bec we rarely snap the ball before the :29 mark anyways.
It's not that we don't snap the ball before the :30 mark, it's the threat that we can if we want to without allowing them to substitute players on and off the field.
quote:Our defense was weak because we played poorly skill wise.. not because our guys were tired.
AU's defense has been our weak spot and this rule will assist without hurting our offense.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:17 pm to polydorr
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Beyond not having the option to snap the ball quickly (what's the point of a play clock anyway if you can't play), it takes away one of Gus' favorite tools which is to repeat a successful play before the opposing defense can adjust.
AU rarely snapped the ball before :29 anyways. We just finished a season where teams knew what we were going to do and they could not stop us. Gus will be able to run what he wants.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:33 pm to parkjas2001
you guys don't get it. It's the threat that we can run the ball down their throat without
This is the point.
Most of the time we did not snap the ball before 29 seconds but the threat was there and the D could not substitute.
Also, offenses could not change personal to counter what we were doing that drive until something stopped the drive.
If anyone knows how many people are on the committee who will vote on this in March please post it. If the voting body is large and represents a lot of schools I do not think it will pass. But if the voting committee is small then it has a shot.
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allowing them to substitute. They don't substitute, the D is worn down by the 4th Q, and we strike with vengeance. This rule essentially kills that entire notion by keeping defensive players fresh.
It's not that we don't snap the ball before the :30 mark, it's the threat that we can if we want to without allowing them to substitute players on and off the field.
This is the point.
Most of the time we did not snap the ball before 29 seconds but the threat was there and the D could not substitute.
Also, offenses could not change personal to counter what we were doing that drive until something stopped the drive.
If anyone knows how many people are on the committee who will vote on this in March please post it. If the voting body is large and represents a lot of schools I do not think it will pass. But if the voting committee is small then it has a shot.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 3:33 pm to Rig
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You guys don't get it. It's the threat that we can run the ball down their throat without allowing them to substitute. They don't substitute, the D is worn down by the 4th Q, and we strike with vengeance. This rule essentially kills that entire notion by keeping defensive players fresh.
It's not that we don't snap the ball before the :30 mark, it's the threat that we can if we want to without allowing them to substitute players on and off the field.
I get that but I fail to understand how this is going to be so devastating to the Auburn offense. You don't think Gus can make the adjustments to his offense. Even though he doesn't line up (with the threat to snap the ball) before 10 seconds all the time.
I just don't see this as a big problem. Our offense is successful because we force the defense to make a commitment to stop a certain player while our QB decides the option (most of the time). Subbing players isn't going to make the defense make the right commitment.
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