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re: The BIGGEST problem is NOT Jeremy Johnson
Posted on 9/19/15 at 9:45 pm to KelticMonday
Posted on 9/19/15 at 9:45 pm to KelticMonday
This offense will not be successful without a QB that can run. You can claim the contrary, but you'd be wrong.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 9:49 pm to Smoke7024
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This offense will not be successful without a QB that can run. You can claim the contrary, but you'd be wrong.
Hi 2009. Hi Tulsa. Hi Arkansas State. Hi Ole Miss. Hi reality.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 9:51 pm to KelticMonday
We were terrible against the big boys in 2009 and don't give me Tulsa and Arkansas State BS. If you think we're going to beat LSU, Georgia, and Alabama with a drop back passer in this offense, then you're delusional.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 10:00 pm to thirdlawson
Right.. 18 yard backwards passes, balls in the dirt 10 yards in front of receivers, 6 INTs in the numbers of the D.. It's definitely a combination of both, but JJ doesn't have to throw those balls.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 10:00 pm to Smoke7024
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We were terrible against the big boys in 2009 and don't give me Tulsa and Arkansas State BS. If you think we're going to beat LSU, Georgia, and Alabama with a drop back passer in this offense, then you're delusional.
Sigh. Auburn barely lost to Alabama in 2009, with far less talent. Ohio State runs a spread offense, and they had no problem with Alabama. Implying that an offense that works at Tulsa and Arkansas state, when playing against opponents with equal talent, magically stops working in the vaunted SEc is intellectually offensive. As I just said, and you mysteriously ignored, Ole Miss runs a clone of Malzahn's offense and they could Alabama for the second year in a row. LSU, Georgia, and Alabama are all known for underachieving due to their offensive schemes. All of the best offenses in the NFL a spread, shotgun offenses. I don't know what to tell you, bud. I'm more than willing to jump on an offensive scheme for being bad, bad you're misguided.
I suppose you would like to go back to the days of Tuberville where AU had zero national championship appearances as opposed to Malzahn's offense having had two NC appearances within 4 years. Smart.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 10:01 pm to Smoke7024
And you'd definitely be wrong. This QB cannot be the gauge.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 10:08 pm to KelticMonday
You are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the "spread". The offense is still being called like we have Nick Marshall running around back there. There is zero creativity in what we're doing. Either you make JJ run or change what you're doing.
We are still running the same plays as if we had a running threat at the QB position and we don't.
We are still running the same plays as if we had a running threat at the QB position and we don't.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 10:13 pm to Smoke7024
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We are still running the same plays as if we had a running threat at the QB position and we don't.
There might be some truth to that as far as Malzahn's offense as it's being called right now. You also have to realize that JJ's performance seriously restricts what they're capable of running. Of course, the fact that he is this bad and hasn't been pulled is also on Malzahn. However, Malzahn's offense, in its entirety, is not insufficient.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 10:45 pm to KelticMonday
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However, Malzahn's offense, in its entirety, is not insufficient.
I don't believe it is with the right players. In fact, it's one of the most efficient I've ever seen with the right players. I do think it is average without a running QB and that's where we are right now with whoever we put in there.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 10:48 pm to Smoke7024
Everyone wanted a balanced offense. His offense does not work balanced. It is a run heavy offense.
Same discussion. But everyone gets all jacked up on the predictions. Overtime Marshall would miss a wide open receiver, people were ready to pull him for Jeremy. You really can't have everything. But a strong running game is always better than a strong passing game. Its just more consistent
Give me 2013 style offense and you can keep the flashy passing game.
Same discussion. But everyone gets all jacked up on the predictions. Overtime Marshall would miss a wide open receiver, people were ready to pull him for Jeremy. You really can't have everything. But a strong running game is always better than a strong passing game. Its just more consistent
Give me 2013 style offense and you can keep the flashy passing game.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 10:59 pm to LanierSpots
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Same discussion. But everyone gets all jacked up on the predictions. Overtime Marshall would miss a wide open receiver, people were ready to pull him for Jeremy. You really can't have everything. But a strong running game is always better than a strong passing game. Its just more consistent
Give me 2013 style offense and you can keep the flashy passing game.
I'll take whatever works. At the highest level--the NFL--the best teams, spare the Seahawks, all lean heavily on their passing attacks. We've yet to see Malzahn's offense with a great passer. I thought JJ would be that guy, but he has collapsed mentally.
The 2013 offense was cool to watch, but everything went right for AU that year, and the lack of a good passer hurt AU several times. Anyways, the offense definitely sucks with JJ.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 11:02 pm to KelticMonday
Not to open a whole new box of worms, but JJ has been in Gus' system going on his third year and he's terrible fundamentally. I'm not sold on Gus developing a great passer. He needs to find an athlete that can pass when needed and run what he's run with Nick and Cam.
This post was edited on 9/19/15 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 9/19/15 at 11:05 pm to Smoke7024
That's BS. An accurate play action QB would be just as effective. You're just gauging it off the subpar pocket passers that have navigated it.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 11:07 pm to AUbagman
I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted on 9/19/15 at 11:09 pm to Smoke7024
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Not to open a whole new box of worms, but JJ has been in Gus' system going on his third year and he's terrible fundamentally. I'm not sold on Gus developing a great passer. He needs to find an athlete that can pass when needed and run what he's run with Nick and Cam.
Honestly, at this point it might be a fact that he is bad at developing QBs. That he wouldn't let Marshall work with the what's-his-name QB guru last year was absurd. Then again, JJ looked nothing like this in the playing time the previous two seasons. Maybe the pressure was too much. He is just completely fricked up mentally at this point.
I would love to see Garner gone, and for Malzahn to bring in an OC that is good at working with quarterbacks. The thing is, I don't see the aforementioned happening without him being forced to do it. It's a problem.
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