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re: Question for the Gus Bus riders who never took their seatbelts off
Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:20 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:20 pm to LanierSpots
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I have always said he has given Auburn football higher highs in his 8-9 years than any coach in a very long time.
1 SEC Championship and a natty appearance that he lost? You really are content with 8-5 seasons and there's a reason that the only people left on the bus are window lickers.
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:25 pm to jvilletiger25
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I don't get these "oh we should be mediocre" type fans.
I don't either. It is really bizarre the segment of our fan base that has this idea that somehow Auburn can't be a consistently successful program.
Auburn has not historically punched out of its weight class. Auburn has historically under performed and been okay with it. The idea that being 8-5 every year with the occasional 10 win season every 4 years being the best that Auburn can hope for is laughably absurd.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:33 pm to The_SwAUggford
Last year should have been the equalizer for Gus. The pieces were there and some of those games were inexcusable losses. But that should have been a SEC champion caliber team that just wasn’t really even close.
And as I’ve said before, I can’t place blame on the fans for being disappointed. It’s not Gus’s fault that he got the mega deal but that’s going to just amplify expectations whether fair or not
Really happy with the start to this season and I’ve really enjoyed watching. That’s enough for me for now.
And as I’ve said before, I can’t place blame on the fans for being disappointed. It’s not Gus’s fault that he got the mega deal but that’s going to just amplify expectations whether fair or not
Really happy with the start to this season and I’ve really enjoyed watching. That’s enough for me for now.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:33 pm to auburn2eugene
This thread would have been fun had it been styled more as a rallying cry. But there are elements that indicate a different agenda.
Why do we have to show fealty to a man? Is only one way of being an Auburn fan?
Some need to take a lesson from Dr. Seuss' "The Sneetches" and be okay with the different shapes and markings of fans that frequent these boards. You exclude them at your peril.
Why do we have to show fealty to a man? Is only one way of being an Auburn fan?
Some need to take a lesson from Dr. Seuss' "The Sneetches" and be okay with the different shapes and markings of fans that frequent these boards. You exclude them at your peril.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:36 pm to Pettifogger
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So called Nega - "I don't hate Gus but he's become so predictable and refuses to develop an intermediate passing game. Auburn can't afford a coach who won't adapt and loses 4+ games every season and has a terrible record against his rivals."
*Gus becomes less predictable, develops intermediate passing game, perhaps beats rival programs and may lose less than 4 games in a season*
Posi - "WHERE ARE THE GUS HATERS NOW HUH!"
It’s like being in a bad relationship where the other person keeps telling you they will change, and they seemingly start to, but the revert to their old ways. The cycle rinses and repeats. At this point, we just cautiously watch what is unfolding in front of our eyes.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:41 pm to Jyrdis
Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:20 pm to The_SwAUggford
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You really are content with 8-5 seasons and there's a reason that the only people left on the bus are window lickers.
This is how I knew the thread would end up.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:43 pm to The_SwAUggford
You really are not helping any argument you believe in. What you are typing makes no sense at all.
When Auburn has the best talent for 15 straight years and only wins one championship then I will agree we are the same. but that will never happen and other than having Cam Newton, we have never had the best talent in the league. And that talent was rolled up in one person. Dont act like we should have won multiple championships and didnt.
You have seen Auburn in 2 National Championships and both of them are because of Gus Malzahn. Before that, it was a 50 year drought. 50 years. You also saw the worst season in Auburn history the one year in the past 10 that he was not here. Then, in one year the team was one penalty from a second national championship.
And i have never said or insinuated that I was happy with 8-5. Not once
So dont make things up.
When Auburn has the best talent for 15 straight years and only wins one championship then I will agree we are the same. but that will never happen and other than having Cam Newton, we have never had the best talent in the league. And that talent was rolled up in one person. Dont act like we should have won multiple championships and didnt.
You have seen Auburn in 2 National Championships and both of them are because of Gus Malzahn. Before that, it was a 50 year drought. 50 years. You also saw the worst season in Auburn history the one year in the past 10 that he was not here. Then, in one year the team was one penalty from a second national championship.
And i have never said or insinuated that I was happy with 8-5. Not once
So dont make things up.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:47 pm to PrisonMike
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This thread would have been fun had it been styled more as a rallying cry. But there are elements that indicate a different agenda.
It was not intended to be. It just got that way because people are incapable of just talking about something other than how much our coach sucks and should be fired.
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Why do we have to show fealty to a man? Is only one way of being an Auburn fan?
Nope. Not at all. I think with personalities like Gus, you either like them or you dont. Winning is just a way of making them bearable. We could win all the games this year and people would be ecstatic. Then lose game one next year and the "fire the coach" cries would be tuning up. Its just what it is.
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Some need to take a lesson from Dr. Seuss' "The Sneetches" and be okay with the different shapes and markings of fans that frequent these boards. You exclude them at your peril.
This I agree with you 100%
Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:53 pm to PrisonMike
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fealty
Nice word. Had to look it up.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:55 pm to jangalang
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Nice word. Had to look it up.
So did I
I have been going back and forth with PrisonMike for a few weeks but I always respect his opinion. We may not agree on this topic but he has always been one of the best posters here. I appreciate his opinion even though I dont totally agree with it.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:06 pm to LanierSpots
I can agree with you on one thing, Lanier. Gus is no Bobby fricking Cox.
I started watching the Braves in 93 with my grandfather and continued to do so for over a decade( until they sucked and I moved away).
Cox had the best pitching money could buy and good to great position players. How he only won one WS is unbelievably sad. Overall, he was a great guy though. I’m sad to hear he’s not doing well because he reminds me of the good times as a kid.
I started watching the Braves in 93 with my grandfather and continued to do so for over a decade( until they sucked and I moved away).
Cox had the best pitching money could buy and good to great position players. How he only won one WS is unbelievably sad. Overall, he was a great guy though. I’m sad to hear he’s not doing well because he reminds me of the good times as a kid.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:07 pm to LanierSpots
In their respective sports Bobby Cox was 10x the coach Gus is. But you'll tear down the man that actually won consistently and defend the guy that consistently finishes third or lower in his division. That was my point.
One was as a coordinator and I will always be grateful for that but it's a whole different ball game than doing it as a head coach. We can't lump his coordinator accolades in with his head coaching career bc they're completely different jobs. That's an awful argument that has no merit. And the second one he lost. Due in large part to his coaching and I'm not grateful for that.
Well that's what you get more often than not with Gus and you defend him more than any sane person so it can definitely come across as you're content with losing 4-5 games a year bc that's exactly what your boy has done for us every year since 2014.
As for this season we're 5-0 and Gus did alot of good last game. But he seems to have a game or two every season where everything clicks for him. The jury is still out on if he's actually progressing or not and those of us who are cautious of getting excited too soon aren't wrong.
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You have seen Auburn in 2 National Championships and both of them are because of Gus Malzahn
One was as a coordinator and I will always be grateful for that but it's a whole different ball game than doing it as a head coach. We can't lump his coordinator accolades in with his head coaching career bc they're completely different jobs. That's an awful argument that has no merit. And the second one he lost. Due in large part to his coaching and I'm not grateful for that.
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And i have never said or insinuated that I was happy with 8-5. Not once
Well that's what you get more often than not with Gus and you defend him more than any sane person so it can definitely come across as you're content with losing 4-5 games a year bc that's exactly what your boy has done for us every year since 2014.
As for this season we're 5-0 and Gus did alot of good last game. But he seems to have a game or two every season where everything clicks for him. The jury is still out on if he's actually progressing or not and those of us who are cautious of getting excited too soon aren't wrong.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:13 pm to The_SwAUggford
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In their respective sports Bobby Cox was 10x the coach Gus i
Bobby will obviously have winning percentage and playoff appearances triumphs over Gus but he did less with more while in a weak division. He’s more comparable to the coach that was at Nebraska that got fired with consecutive 9 win seasons, or maybe Mark Richt.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:26 pm to jangalang
He had shortcomings, sure. I just really don't understand how you can shite on Bobby Cox and not shite on Gus. That's my whole point.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:37 pm to jangalang
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Cox had the best pitching money could buy and good to great position players. How he only won one WS is unbelievably sad. Overall, he was a great guy though. I’m sad to hear he’s not doing well because he reminds me of the good times as a kid.
Bobby, and the Braves organization, took what was the best pitching staff we have ever seen along with all the necessary position players to one world series win in a 12 year period. If you gave that same team to New York or St Louis, they would have won a minimum of 5 to 6 Series. So many people like to praise the Braves for that time period but in all honesty, it was one of the biggest disappointments ever.
It would be like Nick Saban taking the teams he has had over the past 10 years to one SEC Championship. Its far different than what Auburn is going through.
There are constantly 3 teams at a minimum on Auburns schedule that have more talent (on paper) than Auburn does.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:44 pm to The_SwAUggford
I don’t know. Sometimes people just have a feeling of dissatisfaction when it comes to certain sports players and coaches. Maybe a specific affinity for Auburn gleaned positive views on Gus. I liked Cox for his postseason consistency, but like Lanier, I think Gus can do more with less and take us through some incredible (orgasmic) highs.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:53 pm to jangalang
Part of the issue with Gus now is the history. Since he did have some bad losses, now every loss is a bad loss. We keep hearing that he constantly has a game or two that he should win that we lose. Which has been true. But honestly, isn't the true for 98% of the coaches out there? Its like now the precedent is "perfect". If we dont win every game, then the opinion is that we lost to someone we shouldn't have or we lost to a "rival" if its LSU, UGA or Bama.
Basically, perfect is the only acceptable thing. And that just is not going to happen.
Basically, perfect is the only acceptable thing. And that just is not going to happen.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 6:03 pm to TheJones
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It’s not Gus’s fault that he got the mega deal but that’s going to just amplify expectations whether fair or no
It’s a lot his and his agents fault, combined with our stupid administration. They used the Arkansas opening as leverage and it worked
Posted on 10/1/19 at 6:11 pm to LanierSpots
I don’t think the Tennessee loss is all that bad. There are worst. We’ve seen worse bad beats and delivered worse losses ourselves. Nor can it all be pinned on Gus. Our offense moved the ball well at times but Stidham turned the ball over a lot too. Our offense went stagnant in the second half until the final minutes, but there were times when you could tell he didn’t trust Stidham. We actually sat on the ball before halftime because he didn’t trust Stidham.
Gus is actually complimentary of one of Nix’s coverage sacks because he took the sack knowing he had a good defense backing him up, and didn’t throw it up for grabs. Little things like that allow coaches to operate like they want to.
Gus is actually complimentary of one of Nix’s coverage sacks because he took the sack knowing he had a good defense backing him up, and didn’t throw it up for grabs. Little things like that allow coaches to operate like they want to.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 6:17 pm
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