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Posted on 9/29/16 at 3:13 pm to Weagle25
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Ok...do you think that makes your argument any better?
I edited the last comment as you posted.I wasn't saying he was going to do it, just that it could happen if Pass O improves and target trend continues
I bring it up just because how absolutely ridiculous it seems that Tony Stevens even has a realistic shot of pulling it off with a couple good games and consistent targets
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 9/29/16 at 3:16 pm to joeyb147
So I was right. He had 2 drops in 7 targets vs. Lsu
Posted on 9/29/16 at 3:17 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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So I was right. He had 2 drops in 7 targets vs. Lsu
You incorrectly called BS on Tony Stevens only having 2 drops total however
Posted on 9/29/16 at 3:46 pm to GenesChin
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I bring it up just because how absolutely ridiculous it seems that Tony Stevens even has a realistic shot of pulling it off with a couple good games and consistent targets
I don't think you realize that it's not that surprising because 1) it's extremely early in the season 2) your parameters aren't that realistic
Tony Stevens has 17 catches for 235 yards through 4 games. That's 4.25 catches a game for 58.75. Not that impressive at all.
For comparison: Darvin Adams in 2009 had 20 catches for 334 throughthe first 4 games.
That's 5 catches for 83.5 yards a game. He averaged around 83 for the rest of the year and still didn't get to 1,000
Posted on 9/29/16 at 3:56 pm to Weagle25
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He averaged around 83 for the rest of the year and still didn't get to 1,000
Adams got screwed in the bowl game on a catch that should have put him over 1000 yards
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:00 pm to CaptainBrannigan
Still the point is Adams started out at a faster pace and maintained a pace that Stevens is not likely to maintain and still didn't do it
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:06 pm to Weagle25
I keep trying to allude to me treating the Clemson 1 target game as a statistical outlier. You continue to use it
Even so
He also didn't have the Clemson QB derpfest that even we can agree on
Averaged around 74ypg as bowl games are included (13 games total 9 remaining)
Even so
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For comparison: Darvin Adams in 2009 had 20 catches for 334 throughthe first 4 games.
He also didn't have the Clemson QB derpfest that even we can agree on
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He averaged around 83 for the rest of the year and still didn't get to 1,000
Averaged around 74ypg as bowl games are included (13 games total 9 remaining)
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:11 pm to Weagle25
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Still the point is Adams started out at a faster pace and maintained a pace that Stevens is not likely to maintain and still didn't do it
I'm not saying he is going to do it, but I'm pointing out that the way we want to give him the ball it is in the realm of possible.
I point it out because how absurd it feels that Tony Stevens maintaining this ~75ypg string for the rest of the season would give him a top 5 season all time in yardarge
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:15 pm to AUtigR24
quote:maybe he's targeted so much because he's the only one who can consistently get open
14 Targets to a mediocre WR is too damn many.
stevens has actually played pretty well this year
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:18 pm to GenesChin
No he averaged 83. Played in 12 games apparently that season including the bowl game. Didn't notice that before.
I know you are but even when considering that he's still not on the pace he needs to be.
Do you think Stevens is better than Adams? I don't. And based on your past arguments, you think White sucks so there's no bonus there.
I just don't see how you can expect a guy to average his career best game over the next 9 games. Doesn't seem logical at all.
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I keep trying to allude to me treating the Clemson 1 target game as a statistical outlier. You continue to use it
I know you are but even when considering that he's still not on the pace he needs to be.
Do you think Stevens is better than Adams? I don't. And based on your past arguments, you think White sucks so there's no bonus there.
I just don't see how you can expect a guy to average his career best game over the next 9 games. Doesn't seem logical at all.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:27 pm to Weagle25
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Played in 12 games apparently that season including the bowl game. Didn't notice that before.
he played in all 13 games, he just didn't record a catch against lsu
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:31 pm to joeyb147
Kind of weird that they just don't put any stats for him that game if he played but I won't question you since I don't remember him being hurt or suspended that year anyways
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:33 pm to Weagle25
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I just don't see how you can expect a guy to average his career best game over the next 9 games
I don't expect and never said I did.
Since he has started to be targeted (75% of games), he has averaged ~75ypg against some good Ds despite just avg team pass numbers.
I am only pointing out that if he does continue that trend he is at ~900 yards this year, add just 1 more avg catch per game and Stevens is at 1000 yards
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Didn't notice that before.
Didn't notice either, just assumed
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Do you think Stevens is better than Adams?
You can't compare in the way you are trying as Darvin had 1 less game and still wsa only 3 yards short.
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Do you think Stevens is better than Adams? I don't. And based on your past arguments, you think White sucks so there's no bonus there.
I never said SW sucked just that he hasn't been great, isn't a great fit, won't reach his potential with our OL and that Gus/Rhett are incapable of tailoring to someone like Sean.
If you asked me who I'd choose as QB vs quality defenses, I'd choose SW over Chris Todd any day. Todd only had 1 P5 game with Comp% >60% even with Gus' bubble screens etc padding stats
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 9/29/16 at 5:05 pm to joeyb147
Opens Pettway and Johnson thread, reads two pages about Darvin Adams and Tony Stephens.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:09 am to GenesChin
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I took a quick look at the A&M film and SW had 8/27 attempts for designed screens
That is a pretty hefty amount, especially when you adjust for the 3rd & long pass attempts
That's interesting. That is quite a few and seems more in line with Gus's O of the past. I'd like to see the numbers in the other 3 games too out of curiosity.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 12:27 am to Weagle25
Anybody saying Stevens sucks is wrong. He's very athletic and gets open very often and his hands are pretty good this year. He's just not very smart or aware. He never knows where the chains or the sideline is. On the pass he dropped at the 2 yard line, even if he caught it his first foot landed out of bounds even though he had plenty of room.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:34 pm to i am dan
I will say that I sure wish we would see them both on the field at the same time, but not with Buba playing FB. Have them both as RBs. Make them guess which back will get it and which way the will run. Utilizing them together like that, could help mitigate the fact that opposing defenses dont have to account for the legs of SW.
And to add to the Stevens/Daniels conversation... It took me a minute but I tracked down RDs stats from his first 4 games. Game 1 against Appalachian St he caught 4 for 73 and 2 TDs as we barely escape with the win. Next game was another nail biter (I was at both) but he caught 4 for 69 yards 0 scores against Wyoming. Game 3 against LSU he catches 2 for 120 and 2 TDs as we blow out LSU. Game 4 was probably his lowest production of the year (I didnt go through them all but knowing his yard total, he couldn't of had many like this) game 4 he caught 3 for 30 yards 0 scores against Ole Miss. So through 4 games RD only had 292 yards, but did have 4 TDs to go along with a 100 yard day
And to add to the Stevens/Daniels conversation... It took me a minute but I tracked down RDs stats from his first 4 games. Game 1 against Appalachian St he caught 4 for 73 and 2 TDs as we barely escape with the win. Next game was another nail biter (I was at both) but he caught 4 for 69 yards 0 scores against Wyoming. Game 3 against LSU he catches 2 for 120 and 2 TDs as we blow out LSU. Game 4 was probably his lowest production of the year (I didnt go through them all but knowing his yard total, he couldn't of had many like this) game 4 he caught 3 for 30 yards 0 scores against Ole Miss. So through 4 games RD only had 292 yards, but did have 4 TDs to go along with a 100 yard day
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 1:59 pm to The_SwAUggford
quote:k
He's just not very smart or aware. He never knows where the chains or the sideline is.
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