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re: **Official** Barbee Has Been Fired
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:00 am to GenesChin
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:00 am to GenesChin
I disagree with you. We've all speculated about it, but now a player confirms it. I'm not saying Barbee isn't to be held responsible, but this under armour issue is real. You can't deny it.
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:05 am to DecaturAU
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I disagree with you. We've all speculated about it, but now a player confirms it. I'm not saying Barbee isn't to be held responsible, but this under armour issue is real. You can't deny it.
It is a crutch. Under Armour has a negative effect, sure, but it is a joke, as I have pointed out, to blame UA.
Someone has yet to explain how a team like Temple that sucked arse from 2001-2008 made the tournament from 2009-13. Yes they are in a down year but they weren't in the 4 years previous under UA
St Johns is likely making the tourny this year after making only once in the past decade under UA. They also signed a 5* kid last year
Utah is finally rebuilding under Under Armour after they fell apart under the old sponsor despite having a great program.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:07 am to GenesChin
Look, Under Armour is an issue, but it is not an issue that outweighs being in the bottom quarter of CBB in 3pt shooting, shooting over 70% from FT only 1/4 of Barbee's years and kicking nearly every talented player off the team if they even qualified.
We suffered a lot from problems in fundamentals, talent attrition and lack of identity. Those aren't Under Armour's fault
We suffered a lot from problems in fundamentals, talent attrition and lack of identity. Those aren't Under Armour's fault
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:08 am to GenesChin
I'm not saying it's the sole reason we suck, but I think one would be niaeve to blow it off. If a player on the team says it, then I believe it is an issue. Can't come from a much better source.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:11 am to DecaturAU
I agree there are lots of issues. And I agree he wasn't the coach for us regardless of our brand. But Barbee was known as a great recruiter before he arrived and he couldn't pull in any talent. Ever think that maybe all those stats suck so bad because our players sucked out of high school? Maybe they reaches their ceilings.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:13 am to DecaturAU
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If a player on the team says it, then I believe it is an issue. Can't come from a much better source.
It is an excuse/patsy. Yes it is an obstacle but a number of other teams are doing just fine navigating past it. The question becomes, why wasn't Auburn able to?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:18 am to DecaturAU
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But Barbee was known as a great recruiter before he arrived and he couldn't pull in any talent. Ever think that maybe all those stats suck so bad because our players sucked out of high school? Maybe they reaches their ceilings.
I have mentioned this in another thread so might have been missed. Barbee's recruiting problems had everything to do with our AAU issue which has nothing to do with UnderArmour
Mark Komara, coach of Huntsville Pump n Run (based in Hunstville but his teams had kids from all over the state) and sponsor of a number of other AAU teams, was labeled as a representative for Auburn University and was said that he pushed players there by giving them paid trips to AU and such. We were told to disassociate both with Komara and Pump N' Run. This has severely crippled our basketball program. How big a deal is this guy? Even after getting in trouble
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Alabama Coach Mark Gottfried, asked if he planned to shy away from any of Komara's players post-ruling, said, "I don't think you can."
So after already having been told to disassociate and put on probation (they we extended on our own), we decided to up the ante by making it worse.
Komara's son was a student assistant for the BBall team in 2010 or 11 and was offered a walk on spot. After being offered a walk on spot we ditched him when the NCAA complained. Now Komara and his son hate Auburn so no AAU kids will go to AU
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:21 am
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:23 am to GenesChin
1 AAU team doesn't devastate a whole university though. There are players all over the country and in the south.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:23 am to GenesChin
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Namea I have been told are at or near top of Auburn list: Bruce Pearl, La Tech's Mike White, Duke asst Jeff Capel, S Miss Donnie Tyndall.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:26 am to DecaturAU
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1 AAU team doesn't devastate a whole university though. There are players all over the country and in the south.
When the guy controls the entire recruiting for the state and has connections across the South East? You bet your arse it does. It was a massive, massive blow.
Also, Auburn is not a basketball program that will walk into California, New York, Chicago, DC or places like that and recruit high caliber kids.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:27 am to DecaturAU
Put it this way, since Auburn basketball disassociate with Mark Komara, We had 3 NCAA tourny appearances in 5 years to being 0/10
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:31 am to GenesChin
Well technically you can replace Komara with Under Armour in that sentence and it's the same stat.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:35 am to DecaturAU
It's not like Creighton or Whicita State are so damn good because they are Nike schools. They have great coaches, who have an eye for talent, and teams that play together. This UA stuff is way overblown.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:36 am to DecaturAU
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Well technically you can replace Komara with Under Armour in that sentence and it's the same stat.
Good catch. Forgot our UA deal went back to 2005
Either way, as I pointed out a number of teams have done a solid job of navigating this hurdle. Not sure why AUburn can't. Clearly if a team like Temple can do it, AU can if it was just UA
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:38 am to GenesChin
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Clearly if a team like Temple can do it, AU can if it was just UA
Well Temple is 3x the basketball program that Auburn is.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:39 am to blzr
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It's not like Creighton or Whicita State are so damn good because they are Nike schools. They have great coaches, who have an eye for talent, and teams that play together. This UA stuff is way overblown.
What those two schools do have is established programs. It is easier to recruit when you are winning and going to the Dance on a regular basis.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:42 am to MrAUTigers
All I'm saying is that for a program that was already in shambles to begin with, Under Armour is doing us any favors. If we were already a sold, respected program it wouldn't have that much of an impact. But I do think it's keeping us from getting our feet off the ground.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:46 am to MrAUTigers
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What those two schools do have is established programs. It is easier to recruit when you are winning and going to the Dance on a regular basis.
You mean like Gonzaga who made it only twice in school history before Mark Few took over coaching? Butler did have a solid program before Brad Stevens but it more than likely had to do with good coaching hires. Finding guys like Thad Matta
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:47 am to DecaturAU
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All I'm saying is that for a program that was already in shambles to begin with, Under Armour is doing us any favors.
Fair. May hurt us a little
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But I do think it's keeping us from getting our feet off the ground.
We aren't getting off the ground by elite recruiting. We will never be that type of program. We need elite coaching to do well. No kid even if we had another company would want to go to AU
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:54 am to GenesChin
Gonzaga won 24 games the season before Few took over. They were left out of the NCAA Tourney, went to the NIT. He is a good coach and he picked up where Monson left off. That is why it is easier for him to recruit. Let us go to 3 out of 4 NCAA tourney's and see how much easier it is to recruit to Auburn. Just look at all of the football recruits who waited to see how this past season went. Kids want to go to a school, any school, where they can play in the post season. Having a chance to win is what they all want.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:55 am
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