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Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:46 pm to blzr
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This is similar to the aTm OC, doesn't Sumlin call his plays? That guys is around 32 or so and has everyone slobbering on his knob.
It's the FrogSkins.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:54 pm to piggidyphish
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So whe hired a yes man. That's fine. Let's just call him that then.
Sorry puppet is better.
You'll be better off if you grow a pair.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 9:58 pm to Lee County Tiger
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That's exactly what Muschamp and Smart were for Saban when he hired them, and they grew into solid DCs (or so it seems on Smart anyway). Lashlee can do the same thing.
Yep. All the good coaches have pupils. The ones like Chiz just have guys they aggravate
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:01 pm to aubiecat
Gotcha. Nothing useful just bitching because I disagree. Grow up. going to call me a bammer next?
Even though it's clear discussions aren't your thing I'll continue.
He may well work out (or do nothing and not get in gus way and thus work out by default) but if things aren't working and Gus ask lashee for a new wrinkle he will just regurgitate to gus something Gus had told him. My preference would be an oc of the same philosophy but not exactly the same. Obviously bring lashlee because Gus clearly has a great relationship with him and you could have his duties the same just a different title and accomplish the same thing.
And no I don't know who that oc would be and if there isn't one then it's moot.
Or as so eloquently put above I could just grow a pair and never question anything. Cause that's balls, right?
Even though it's clear discussions aren't your thing I'll continue.
He may well work out (or do nothing and not get in gus way and thus work out by default) but if things aren't working and Gus ask lashee for a new wrinkle he will just regurgitate to gus something Gus had told him. My preference would be an oc of the same philosophy but not exactly the same. Obviously bring lashlee because Gus clearly has a great relationship with him and you could have his duties the same just a different title and accomplish the same thing.
And no I don't know who that oc would be and if there isn't one then it's moot.
Or as so eloquently put above I could just grow a pair and never question anything. Cause that's balls, right?
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:05 pm to piggidyphish
Tl, dr
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:07 pm to parkjas2001
No gif?
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:09 pm to piggidyphish
Still tl, dr
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:09 pm to piggidyphish
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My preference would be an oc of the same philosophy but not exactly the same. Obviously bring lashlee because Gus clearly has a great relationship with him and you could have his duties the same just a different title and accomplish the same thing.
And no I don't know who that oc would be and if there isn't one then it's moot.
The only OC that would even remotely fit the bill would be Morris at Clemson, and as touched on already no way in hell he'd be leaving there, much less be willing to play second fiddle to Gus, even though he has mucho respect for Gus and learned a ton from him.
And it;s not like Lashlee can't bring different viewpoints to the table in gameplanning, Lashlee has been an OC on his own for a year after all. But having two folks involved in the actual playcalling is a pretty terrible idea, I've never seen it work, including our own Nallsminger experiment.
Having Lashlee on board with different position and duties would be kind of pointless as well, as a real OC is just plain not needed with Gus here. But like I said before, not like Lashlee can't develop into one over the next couple years, and take alot of the duties from Gus.
I more interested to see how the kid can recruit, as that's the important part.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:11 pm to piggidyphish
Bottom line, it was always going to be this way. It's Gus' offense and he won't bring someone in that doesn't run it his way. In this scenario, we have an OC that has successfully worked under Gus in this same very relationship. There's no doubt about whether it's going to work or not. I understand the concerns but I think we can agree that the OC doesn't really matter.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:12 pm to auyushu
His rise just seems meteoric to have built his own repertoire.
Again not saying I don't want him on the staff just I'm skeptical of him at oc right now. And I'm certainly not rooting against him.
I do agree that as it exist oc doesn't matter. My concerns are his ancillary duties, recruiting personnel decisions etc which is why I think you can stick him at another position and put someone else at oc. But I don't know who that would be so it's have your cake and eat it too stuff.
Again not saying I don't want him on the staff just I'm skeptical of him at oc right now. And I'm certainly not rooting against him.
I do agree that as it exist oc doesn't matter. My concerns are his ancillary duties, recruiting personnel decisions etc which is why I think you can stick him at another position and put someone else at oc. But I don't know who that would be so it's have your cake and eat it too stuff.
This post was edited on 12/6/12 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:16 pm to piggidyphish
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Again not saying I don't want him on the staff just I'm skeptical of him at oc right now.
That's understandable. But he's not actually going to be doing the playcalling and be a traditional OC, it's going to be Gus. And we already know what we are going to get from him. So how Lashlee would perform as an actual OC at this moment in time is pretty moot.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:19 pm to auyushu
Right I put an edit in above to really describe my concerns because as its pretty obvious play calling won't be an issue.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:23 pm to auyushu
With this same combination at Arkansas State the offense had 481.8 Yds/game (17th in the nation) and scored 36.4 Pts/game (T-20th in the nation). I think it will be fine.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:26 pm to Weagle25
Oh I expect it to work.
I'm on board that Gus will take care of the on the field stuff.
I'm on board that Gus will take care of the on the field stuff.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:27 pm to TheJones
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Bottom line, it was always going to be this way. It's Gus' offense and he won't bring someone in that doesn't run it his way. In this scenario, we have an OC that has successfully worked under Gus in this same very relationship. There's no doubt about whether it's going to work or not. I understand the concerns but I think we can agree that the OC doesn't really matter.
Exactly...with guys like Malzahn or Petrino, the OC is there to teach the offense to the players, the HC is the playcaller...could've hired Daffy Duck to be the OC if he knows the offense...
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:27 pm to piggidyphish
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My concerns are his ancillary duties, recruiting personnel decisions etc which is why I think you can stick him at another position and put someone else at oc
Are you saying you are scared he wont be able to recruit being he is very young and inexperienced? Are you scared other coaches on the staff won't listen to him for this reason and cause friction?
Posted on 12/6/12 at 10:31 pm to AUtigerNOLA
I'm not confident he will accomplish those things yes. I would like this hire if his title was different. And ultimately I do think he will just mimic Gus. Which you can't argue works on the field.
Posted on 12/6/12 at 11:51 pm to AUsteriskPride
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Lashlee will be his eye in the sky.. That's JMO.. Who is he going to hire? At the end of the day, it will always be Malzahn's offense.
This.
Why are people reacting negatively to this? This is Malzahn's offense, he'll be calling all of the shots. The OC will sit up in the box and call out adjustments and the like that he sees. Malzahn will be overseeing the hiring of the rest of the offensive staff.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 7:19 am to AUin02
I am 100% good with Lashee being hired as OC. Gus is going to run the offense, and I don't think a high profile, high dollar OC would be happy "helping" Gus run the offense.
Also, this lets us put more $$$ into the defensive and recruiting coaches.
I think Gus FINALLY is in a position to run his offense his way (last year and this year) and he is not ready to give a lot of control over to a OC.
Whenever Spurrior gives control of the offense to the OC he gets frustrated and takes control again. I see Gus being the same way.
Also, this lets us put more $$$ into the defensive and recruiting coaches.
I think Gus FINALLY is in a position to run his offense his way (last year and this year) and he is not ready to give a lot of control over to a OC.
Whenever Spurrior gives control of the offense to the OC he gets frustrated and takes control again. I see Gus being the same way.
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