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re: Have our expectations been raised? Are we too quick on the trigger?
Posted on 9/1/16 at 6:34 am to auburn2eugene
Posted on 9/1/16 at 6:34 am to auburn2eugene
Yes, we realize that. We also know we should be able to do better.
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Posted on 9/1/16 at 6:59 am to Weagle25
I agree with a lot on here. 2008 was bad but 2012 was extremely embarrassing and Chiz deserved to get fired.
AU is one of only 6 programs in the SEC to win multiple SEC championships and 1 of 3 to win a title post 2000 and appear in multiple title games. AU has tradition and is an elite SEC program. A top 15 program all time. I expect at least 8-10 wins every year and winning our fair share against the biggest rivals with UGA, Bama and LSU.
AU is one of only 6 programs in the SEC to win multiple SEC championships and 1 of 3 to win a title post 2000 and appear in multiple title games. AU has tradition and is an elite SEC program. A top 15 program all time. I expect at least 8-10 wins every year and winning our fair share against the biggest rivals with UGA, Bama and LSU.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 7:29 am to AUtigerNOLA
in 2008 and 2012 there were other negative things going on besides just the record.
2008: Recruiting fell off in 2007. Saban came to Bama and signed the Nations # 1 class, and Auburn did not have a player in the top 150. It did not appear that CTT was able to or willing to compete for recruits.
Most (not all) Auburn fans wanted to give CTT another year to turn things around.
2012: The team was a total disaster. The coaches went as far as hiring a security firm to enforce team rules. The team quit and was called out in the media by other teams for quitting.
There was really no choice in 2012 Chizik had to go.
2008: Recruiting fell off in 2007. Saban came to Bama and signed the Nations # 1 class, and Auburn did not have a player in the top 150. It did not appear that CTT was able to or willing to compete for recruits.
Most (not all) Auburn fans wanted to give CTT another year to turn things around.
2012: The team was a total disaster. The coaches went as far as hiring a security firm to enforce team rules. The team quit and was called out in the media by other teams for quitting.
There was really no choice in 2012 Chizik had to go.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 7:53 am to Weagle25
I expect Auburn to be talented and well coached enough to have a chance to win every game. If they get beat, they get beat, but I can't stand getting our shite pushed in. There are too many resources and too much talent in the recruiting areas to be getting arse whippings on a regular basis
Posted on 9/1/16 at 9:53 am to allin2010
Tubs was fired man. They were just being nice about it.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 10:06 am to allin2010
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Tubbs was not fired. He could have stayed,
Posted on 9/1/16 at 10:09 am to Weagle25
I expect that every 3-4 years we should be in line to win the SEC West. When good recruiting cycle tops out that is where top 10 recruiting teams should be. I expect Gus to develop players and utilize those players correctly. That should put us in a position to stay at .500 against UGA, LSU, and UAT. Winning the West and the SEC is almost a guaranteeto be in the top 4 now.
We are unfortunately teamed up against one of the best coaches with the best recruiting ability with Saban. LSU is no slouch recruiting and Miles is a solid coach and Kirby is a complete unknown, but has a great recruiting base in GA and AL. The west is poised to remain strong so 9-10 wins is a good season as long as the games are all competitive and split with our main rivals.
Tubby just did not have the killer instinct. Chizik was just not ready and let it go to hell in a handbasket. I think Gus will grow into his role and be there long term as a performer. He will have the ability to take us to the heights when the talent is there and make the most of it.
We are unfortunately teamed up against one of the best coaches with the best recruiting ability with Saban. LSU is no slouch recruiting and Miles is a solid coach and Kirby is a complete unknown, but has a great recruiting base in GA and AL. The west is poised to remain strong so 9-10 wins is a good season as long as the games are all competitive and split with our main rivals.
Tubby just did not have the killer instinct. Chizik was just not ready and let it go to hell in a handbasket. I think Gus will grow into his role and be there long term as a performer. He will have the ability to take us to the heights when the talent is there and make the most of it.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 10:12 am to JRoweMDN
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I expect that every 3-4 years we should be in line to win the SEC West. When good recruiting cycle tops out that is where top 10 recruiting teams should be. I expect Gus to develop players and utilize those players correctly. That should put us in a position to stay at .500 against UGA, LSU, and UAT. Winning the West and the SEC is almost a guaranteeto be in the top 4 now.
We are unfortunately teamed up against one of the best coaches with the best recruiting ability with Saban. LSU is no slouch recruiting and Miles is a solid coach and Kirby is a complete unknown, but has a great recruiting base in GA and AL. The west is poised to remain strong so 9-10 wins is a good season as long as the games are all competitive and split with our main rivals.
Tubby just did not have the killer instinct. Chizik was just not ready and let it go to hell in a handbasket. I think Gus will grow into his role and be there long term as a performer. He will have the ability to take us to the heights when the talent is there and make the most of it.
I want to get back to where going 7-5/8-4 is fairly disappointing. I'd love a run like UGA had in the 2000s.
Frankly, I used to say that I'd take the rollercoaster if it puts us in positions to win championships, and I'm still somewhat on board with that.
But if the rollercoaster means we're rebuilding every 3 years with new coaches and players leaving the program, I just don't think these wild swings are sustainable. We need consistency, which is why it is so important that Gus put together something half-decent this year and eliminate any chance we fire him.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 10:18 am to Weagle25
I believe you have to look at both AU and the SEC when discussing expectations.
A lot of it has to do with Saban's recent success. Not just for AU, but all the Big 6. Go back and look at the winners of the SECC from '98-'09. The same team didn't repeat as SECC. The Camback, the most boring LSU/Alabama game in 2011 and the Kick 6 kept Alabama from winning 7 SECC's in a row. In all those games, Bama had a very good chance to win.
Saban has changed expectations. If you don't believe me, look at Richt and his performance between 2001-2015. His worst season was 6-7. He had three 8-win seasons. Every other season was 9 or more, including nine double digit win seasons. I've often posed the question to other fanbases: Would you take Richt over your current coach? He had a winning record against AU, he absolutely owned Tech, but was 5-10 against UF -- winning records against two of the school's three biggest rivals.
Look at Miles' hot seat last year. Big 6 fans all think they can find their own Saban. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.
Now, as far as AU is concerned, it sucks because Bama is our biggest rival.
More generally speaking, based on our history and program (resources, how we recruit, etc.), I do have certain expectations for our team.
We should always be competitive and have a chance to win every game. I think 8 win seasons are fine if we're rebuilding or have a tough schedule, but by no means should we perennially be an 8-5 team.
The random 7 win season, OK, assuming it's sandwiched in-between 9 or 10+ seasons.
We should never have a season like 2012.
We should never make a hire like a Gene Chizik or John L. Smith.
And we should also avoid as much off field trouble as possible (i.e., Baylor). Like it or not, I think off-field expectations are just as important both because of AU's reputation as well as how it could affect on-field performance.
A lot of it has to do with Saban's recent success. Not just for AU, but all the Big 6. Go back and look at the winners of the SECC from '98-'09. The same team didn't repeat as SECC. The Camback, the most boring LSU/Alabama game in 2011 and the Kick 6 kept Alabama from winning 7 SECC's in a row. In all those games, Bama had a very good chance to win.
Saban has changed expectations. If you don't believe me, look at Richt and his performance between 2001-2015. His worst season was 6-7. He had three 8-win seasons. Every other season was 9 or more, including nine double digit win seasons. I've often posed the question to other fanbases: Would you take Richt over your current coach? He had a winning record against AU, he absolutely owned Tech, but was 5-10 against UF -- winning records against two of the school's three biggest rivals.
Look at Miles' hot seat last year. Big 6 fans all think they can find their own Saban. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.
Now, as far as AU is concerned, it sucks because Bama is our biggest rival.
More generally speaking, based on our history and program (resources, how we recruit, etc.), I do have certain expectations for our team.
We should always be competitive and have a chance to win every game. I think 8 win seasons are fine if we're rebuilding or have a tough schedule, but by no means should we perennially be an 8-5 team.
The random 7 win season, OK, assuming it's sandwiched in-between 9 or 10+ seasons.
We should never have a season like 2012.
We should never make a hire like a Gene Chizik or John L. Smith.
And we should also avoid as much off field trouble as possible (i.e., Baylor). Like it or not, I think off-field expectations are just as important both because of AU's reputation as well as how it could affect on-field performance.
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 10:46 am
Posted on 9/1/16 at 10:30 am to Pettifogger
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I want to get back to where going 7-5/8-4 is fairly disappointing. I'd love a run like UGA had in the 2000s.
I agree with this wholly. That type of season means we did not win the close ones and let UGA, LSU, and UAT beat us as well as probably the SEC east rotating team.
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Frankly, I used to say that I'd take the rollercoaster if it puts us in positions to win championships, and I'm still somewhat on board with that.
That roller coaster bottom has to be 9 wins. And the top has to be an SEC championship and into the playoffs at minimum.
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But if the rollercoaster means we're rebuilding every 3 years with new coaches and players leaving the program, I just don't think these wild swings are sustainable. We need consistency, which is why it is so important that Gus put together something half-decent this year and eliminate any chance we fire him.
This is what needs to stop and give a coach the benefit of time and stability as long as there is not a total loss of control like Chizik showed. Unfortunately we also have to compete with the NFL and other schools taking coordinators.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 10:44 am to JRoweMDN
Most AU people I've seen (including those on boards, which represent probably the most intense 20% of AU fans) agree that Gus doesn't get fired unless we go worse than 6-6, and maybe not then.
Of course, that's easy to say, and if 6-6 means a late season collapse and blowout losses to UGA/UA, not sure we can rely on that sentiment.
Of course, that's easy to say, and if 6-6 means a late season collapse and blowout losses to UGA/UA, not sure we can rely on that sentiment.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 11:25 am to Weagle25
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Hard to classify a season that we finished ranked as a bad season. Definitely disappointing though
That team had the talent to win the national championship and we lost 5 games, including our last 4 against real teams. Only Treadwell's leg snapping inside the 1 yard line kept it from being even worse. That's definitely a bad season.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:11 pm to Weagle25
You guys have old man syndrome when it comes to Tubs. You forget all the bad. We only had LSU to deal with in the SEC, and he still only won one SEC title. Our offense was anemic most years, and he loved to set on a lead late in a game. And GDI he would lose to a terrible Arkansas program. Regardless of what you say, the last 6 years have been the best in AU football history.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:06 pm to AUCE05
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the last 6 years have been the best in AU football history.
83-88 def better.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:35 pm to mckibaj
well that and he was tired of getting into pissing matches with Lowder & Raines
Posted on 9/1/16 at 2:27 pm to BoomNation
Tubby = Richt lite - both squandered a lot of talent and underperformed in big games. Richt had a better record.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 2:50 pm to AUNashville
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People are low on patience these days.
Low patience due to high costs... Coaches aren't worth the skyrocketing price if they do not produce a quality product... fans do not want to pay $110 per ticket to see Clemson skull drag AU or $50+ to see us bludgeon the little sisters of the poor
Posted on 9/1/16 at 3:00 pm to Luke
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Low patience due to high costs... Coaches aren't worth the skyrocketing price if they do not produce a quality product... fans do not want to pay $110 per ticket to see Clemson skull drag AU or $50+ to see us bludgeon the little sisters of the poor
Most of your posts this summer have been dumb but I actually agree with this
If we are spending the money we are on football we should expect big time results
Posted on 9/1/16 at 4:29 pm to JRoweMDN
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Richt had a better record.
With an easier job and didn't have 2004.
Posted on 9/1/16 at 4:31 pm to Weagle25
I think based on SEC records below, if anything Auburn has become much MORE patient with coaches (at least comparing Tuberville and Malzahn). In the last 35 years post Barfield, Auburn has had a losing record in the SEC only 10 times including last year.
I think Malzahn needs to go at least 4-4 in the SEC this year to keep things calm (although no one would call that success).
Auburn's SEC record:
Malzahn
2015 (2-6)***
2014 (4-4)
2013 (6-1)
Chizik
2012 (0-8)***
2011 (4-4)
2010 (9-0)
2009 (3-5)***
Tuberville
2008 (2-6)***
2007 (5-3)
2006 (6-2)
2005 (7-1)
2004 (9-0)
2003 (5-3)
2002 (5-3)
2001 (5-3)
2000 (6-3)
1999 (2-6)***
Tommy Bowden
1998 (1-7)***
1997 (6-3)
1996 (4-4)
1995 (5-3)
1994 (6-1-1)
1993 (8-0)
Pat Dye
1992 (2-5-1)***
1991 (2-5)***
1990 (4-2-1)
1989 (6-1)
1988 (6-1)
1987 (6-0-1)
1986 (4-2)
1985 (3-4)***
1984 (4-2)
1983 (6-0)
1982 (4-2)
1981 (2-4)***
I think Malzahn needs to go at least 4-4 in the SEC this year to keep things calm (although no one would call that success).
Auburn's SEC record:
Malzahn
2015 (2-6)***
2014 (4-4)
2013 (6-1)
Chizik
2012 (0-8)***
2011 (4-4)
2010 (9-0)
2009 (3-5)***
Tuberville
2008 (2-6)***
2007 (5-3)
2006 (6-2)
2005 (7-1)
2004 (9-0)
2003 (5-3)
2002 (5-3)
2001 (5-3)
2000 (6-3)
1999 (2-6)***
Tommy Bowden
1998 (1-7)***
1997 (6-3)
1996 (4-4)
1995 (5-3)
1994 (6-1-1)
1993 (8-0)
Pat Dye
1992 (2-5-1)***
1991 (2-5)***
1990 (4-2-1)
1989 (6-1)
1988 (6-1)
1987 (6-0-1)
1986 (4-2)
1985 (3-4)***
1984 (4-2)
1983 (6-0)
1982 (4-2)
1981 (2-4)***
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 4:32 pm
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