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Have our expectations been raised? Are we too quick on the trigger?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:20 pm
I grew up in the Tubs era so 8 or so wins was normal. Then we obviously had 2004 and 2006. Still at that point I don't feel like we expected 10 wins year in year out. Tubs really only tanks for one year (5-7) and we fire him. At the time I thought it was too quick on the trigger but looking back I was happy with the result.
Gene comes in with no expectations does alright his first year and wins the championship the second year. Does about as expected in year 3 and absolutely falls off the rails year 4. We fire him.
Gus comes in with expectations and goes to National Championship. Has a pretty good team year 2 but they choke the season away. Then obviously last year didn't meet anybody's expectations. Chatter begins about firing him.
My point is Tubs had one bad year and we fired him. Chizik really only had one season below expectations. We fired him. Now Malzahn has had one bad season but his bad season still had 7 wins in it.
Do we now expect 10 wins year in year out? If not, aren't we being really quick on the trigger with these guys? I'm honestly unsure. I agreed with firing Chizik and looking back like the decision with Tubs but I do think some stability at HC would be beneficial.
Gene comes in with no expectations does alright his first year and wins the championship the second year. Does about as expected in year 3 and absolutely falls off the rails year 4. We fire him.
Gus comes in with expectations and goes to National Championship. Has a pretty good team year 2 but they choke the season away. Then obviously last year didn't meet anybody's expectations. Chatter begins about firing him.
My point is Tubs had one bad year and we fired him. Chizik really only had one season below expectations. We fired him. Now Malzahn has had one bad season but his bad season still had 7 wins in it.
Do we now expect 10 wins year in year out? If not, aren't we being really quick on the trigger with these guys? I'm honestly unsure. I agreed with firing Chizik and looking back like the decision with Tubs but I do think some stability at HC would be beneficial.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 5:38 pm
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:31 pm to Weagle25
It's interesting how for the past several years, most coaches who have won NC's had only been at their school for a couple seasons. The only exceptions are Saban, Mac Brown, and Fisher.
We're in this era where we like to see fast results, and this goes beyond just college football. People are low on patience these days.
We're beginning to believe it's a reasonable expectation to see a coach turn a program into a NC contender in only a couple seasons.
We're in this era where we like to see fast results, and this goes beyond just college football. People are low on patience these days.
We're beginning to believe it's a reasonable expectation to see a coach turn a program into a NC contender in only a couple seasons.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:40 pm to Weagle25
I feel like it's one thing to have a bad year but 2008 and 2012 were just pure embarrassing.
Tubs would have stayed if he would have hired an O.C. and let him pick assistants that actually agree with the offensive philosophy.
Tubs would have stayed if he would have hired an O.C. and let him pick assistants that actually agree with the offensive philosophy.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:40 pm to Weagle25
I dont expect us to win every game. I do expect Auburn to be very competitive in every game. We recruit well, we have talent on the team, resources available and a fantastic fan and alumni base.
Auburn SHOULD be a top 25 school every year. I expect us to be top 10 regularly, if not every year.
To survive at Auburn, you BETTER beat Georgia, Bama and LSU our fair share.
Auburn SHOULD be a top 25 school every year. I expect us to be top 10 regularly, if not every year.
To survive at Auburn, you BETTER beat Georgia, Bama and LSU our fair share.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:42 pm to Weagle25
It's not the fact that we lost games during those years, it's how we were losing. we were getting crushed by conference foes and weren't even competitive.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:43 pm to Weagle25
Each circumstance is markedly different.
For example, Tubs and our AD/BOT had been at odds for a number of years. If not for JetGate becoming public, he would have been fired after five seasons, in which he never won 10 games and only managed on SEC West title (even while our chief rivals in the division, Bama and LSU, were undergoing massive instability of their own). And his flirtations with other programs following the breakthrough in '04 were well known. He wasn't fired for one bad year, it just provided an excuse. And let's face it, '08 was even more disastrous than the record indicated.
Chiz was never really cut out to be HC at a major program. 2010 was a perfect storm of good luck as much as '12 was a perfect storm of bad. His likely typical year was '11, where we barely beat some pretty bad teams and got slaughtered by our rivals. And he had pretty clearly lost control of the program by the time '12 ended.
I think it's way too soon to think about firing Gustav, unless he exhibits Chiz-level incompetence handling the team.
For example, Tubs and our AD/BOT had been at odds for a number of years. If not for JetGate becoming public, he would have been fired after five seasons, in which he never won 10 games and only managed on SEC West title (even while our chief rivals in the division, Bama and LSU, were undergoing massive instability of their own). And his flirtations with other programs following the breakthrough in '04 were well known. He wasn't fired for one bad year, it just provided an excuse. And let's face it, '08 was even more disastrous than the record indicated.
Chiz was never really cut out to be HC at a major program. 2010 was a perfect storm of good luck as much as '12 was a perfect storm of bad. His likely typical year was '11, where we barely beat some pretty bad teams and got slaughtered by our rivals. And he had pretty clearly lost control of the program by the time '12 ended.
I think it's way too soon to think about firing Gustav, unless he exhibits Chiz-level incompetence handling the team.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:45 pm to Pavoloco83
That's what gets me. Its not the losses. You are gonna lose games. It's not being competitive in games that I can't handle.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 5:47 pm to Weagle25
I would say that I've expected 10 plus wins and a top 20 ranking for Auburn my entire life. More importantly, the SEC record needs to be at least .500
Almost all Auburn fans expect the team to at least be "average" in the SEC and every other year or so to be "above average."
The cream-puff non-conference games no one cares about but when you are repeatedly getting beaten by Georgia, LSU, Bama, etc. and are only competitive with second tier teams like Miss St. then it is time for a change.
Given the great recruiting area we are in (close to Atlanta, not far from Florida, etc.) and given the loud and proud and monetarily generous fan support....Auburn should always be thought of as an upper level SEC program.
Almost all Auburn fans expect the team to at least be "average" in the SEC and every other year or so to be "above average."
The cream-puff non-conference games no one cares about but when you are repeatedly getting beaten by Georgia, LSU, Bama, etc. and are only competitive with second tier teams like Miss St. then it is time for a change.
Given the great recruiting area we are in (close to Atlanta, not far from Florida, etc.) and given the loud and proud and monetarily generous fan support....Auburn should always be thought of as an upper level SEC program.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 6:07 pm to Weagle25
I really just like to watch football and our Auburn Tigers. I don't have the expectations that we will be 10+ win seasons every year.
I will only say my expectations are 15-0 Ship
I will only say my expectations are 15-0 Ship
Posted on 8/31/16 at 6:29 pm to Weagle25
No sane person would say we need to fire Malzahn. Unless we fall apart, go 3-9 and lose to bammer 45-0, then I don't see it happening. The only reason Chiz was fired was because the team gave up. We didn't just lose, we got destroyed.
And, yes, I think 9-10 wins (as an average) is a perfectly reasonable goal for AU to have each year. And there's no reason we shouldn't expect that with our top 10 recruiting classes year in and year out.
And, yes, I think 9-10 wins (as an average) is a perfectly reasonable goal for AU to have each year. And there's no reason we shouldn't expect that with our top 10 recruiting classes year in and year out.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 7:12 pm to AUstar
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No sane person would say we need to fire Malzahn. Unless we fall apart, go 3-9 and lose to bammer 45-0, then I don't see it happening. The only reason Chiz was fired was because the team gave up. We didn't just lose, we got destroyed.
This is exactly correct. Chizik had assistants that undermined him and the team was just lost to him, he had no chance to recover from 2012.
As much as people like to remember back to Tubs, I have never been more frustrated watching a team year in and year out as Tubs. We put out some good players but we would lose to teams we have no business losing to and then beat a team we have no business beating. It was maddening. It was just time to part ways with Tubs and the truth is that he would be a 6 win coach in the SEC now. He didn't like to recruit and his group of assistants couldn't field an offense which would be a 6 win coach in a time where the west is crazy good.
As for Malzahn, idiots are calling for his head. The team never gave up last year, they were just outgunned and outplayed. He has been a part of two national championship games at Auburn.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 7:55 pm to Warfarer
It should also be stated while I would take 8-5 if we were competitive. In 2011 we got our tails handed to us several times. The signs of 2012 were on the horizon.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 8:17 pm to Weagle25
I expected 8-9 wins when there were only 11 regular season games. Now there are 12 regular season games. 9-10 wins minimum. Anything less and you should be shown the door
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:44 pm to Weagle25
we are something like 6-10 in conference play the last 2 seasons. my expectations are pretty much in the crapper.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 10:48 pm to AUTiger45
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we are something like 6-10 in conference play the last 2 seasons. my expectations are pretty much in the crapper.
Congratulations on not reading the thread
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:28 pm to Weagle25
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Congratulations on not reading the thread
congrats on being a douche. I read your stupid thread. it was incorrect. 6-10 over 2 seasons is not just one bad season... unless youre a gd vandy fan.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 11:51 pm to AUTiger45
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congrats on being a douche. I read your stupid thread. it was incorrect. 6-10 over 2 seasons is not just one bad season... unless youre a gd vandy fan.
Bruh...why ya gotta go there?
I think expectations should be in the 8, 9, or 10 wins every year while being competitive in all losses. Every 3 or 4 years, the team should at least share the division title. That might be a bit lofty, but I think it's doable. Of course, I wouldn't necessarily hold a coach to the "division title" part since those things are down to things outside of their control, but if you can win 10 games then you're in the hunt.
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 12:00 am
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:00 am to AUTiger45
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congrats on being a douche
Not my fault you didn't read it the first go round
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6-10 over 2 seasons is not just one bad season... unless youre a gd vandy fan.
I like how you combine the two years to make the first year look worse. We went 4-4 and choked two of those games away. Like I said in OP.
Hard to classify a season that we finished ranked as a bad season. Definitely disappointing though
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 12:11 am
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:32 am to ChexMix
I get there are more games now... But you guys do realize in the entire history of Auburn football, we have only won 10 games in back to back seasons 1 single time....
Posted on 9/1/16 at 6:19 am to auburn2eugene
Tubbs was not fired. He could have stayed, he sent his son to Auburn, he has been seen numerous times wearing Auburn gear. He had family issues to deal with when he took a year sabbatical, it did not solve the issue. I understand folks thinking he was fired, but the only person who said it was his elderly Mom when asked by reporters when leaving church in Auburn. Media comtrols our minds.
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