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Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:40 pm to DyeHardDylan
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The two biggest QBs Malzahn recruited to Auburn were Kiehl Frazier and Jeremy Johnson
Sean White was a bigger recruit than Jeremy Johnson. Also, Gus never coached Frazier at QB past FR year but eval wise he failed.
Ranking Auburn QB recruits by 247 composite National
1- Keihl Frazier - #51
2- Sean White - #144
3- Jeremy Johnson - #166
4- Woody Barrett - #219
5- Tyler Queen - #384
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development QB talent.
While I don't believe Gus can develop a QB for a pass offense, that is conjecture and not based on evidence. Of the past 5 QBs recruited by Gus, he had opportunity and failed at developing only Jeremy so far
Frazier - Gus never worked with him at QB past FR year
Tyler Queen- Has been injured
Woody Barrett- Only Freshman
Sean White - Not verified bust
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:50 pm to GenesChin
I saw Tyler Queen dressed out on the sideline, what's his status?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:41 pm to Fear The Thumb
I think Queen is totalled. We should get a scholly refund from Geico.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:02 pm to JRoweMDN
In 2013 we recruited two QBs... he did a good job developing one of those. JJ just did not pan out.
A three star QB/DB who was recruited but not offered by Troy. He did get offered by Arkie State, Indiana, Kansas State and Texas. Won an SEC championship and 13 seconds away from a NC.
We also signed a 6'6" player who committed early and thus was not offered by as many schools, but he was recruited by Alabama, FSU, LSU, Ole Miss, Oklahoma and USCe.
Look at Bama, they failed to develop Cooper Bateman (13), Cornwell (14) and Blake Barnett (15). All more highly recruited. Gus' problem is recruiting quality QBs.
A three star QB/DB who was recruited but not offered by Troy. He did get offered by Arkie State, Indiana, Kansas State and Texas. Won an SEC championship and 13 seconds away from a NC.
We also signed a 6'6" player who committed early and thus was not offered by as many schools, but he was recruited by Alabama, FSU, LSU, Ole Miss, Oklahoma and USCe.
Look at Bama, they failed to develop Cooper Bateman (13), Cornwell (14) and Blake Barnett (15). All more highly recruited. Gus' problem is recruiting quality QBs.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:31 pm to beatbammer
"Where did the coach go who coached those guys?"
He went Gustarded.
He went Gustarded.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:23 pm to AUstar
Then why didn't he go out and get a QB instead of recruiting a fast moron who cannot throw well? Dude is paid 4 million dollars, he cannot figure that out?
Also recruiting ranking are game as hell. If our recruiting was so great our OL would not be got garbage and we would have playmakers at WR.
Also recruiting ranking are game as hell. If our recruiting was so great our OL would not be got garbage and we would have playmakers at WR.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:53 pm to metafour
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Uhm, Petrino has been doing the same thing as you're seeing now everywhere he has been. You think he was getting 5-star talent when he was coaching at Arkansas and still beating SEC teams? How about his first tenure at Louisville? Lamar Jackson was a ~3 star who he's built up big time in terms of actual passing/QB ability. Better yet, Petrino has adjusted his offense to utilize a freak running QB, something that he's never had in the past while our own HS caliber "offensive mind" has been trying to fit square pegs into a round hole for how many years now?
Petrino is a real offensive coach. Whatever pieces you give him, he'll find something that at least works on some level. When was the last time you saw a Petrino offense that didn't have a QB? And you know full well that he's not signing 5-star QBs.
I don't disagree. Look at Petrino when he was at Auburn. He turned Campbell into a NFL QB in ONE season. Prior to that, Campbell was widely derided and made fun of on AU forums such as this one. He looked lost early in his career then the light suddenly came on when Petrino got to work with him.
There's no doubt Petrino is one of (if not THE) best QB coaches in the college ranks. My only point is that I don't see Petrino leaving to come here. Not now.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 6:19 pm to AUstar
quote:Well, yes they can. Marshall was obviously not. I agree with most of what you said, but we don't need a "superman" QB. Cam Newton isn't coming around again, but you can find guys like Marshall to run this offense. We just don't have a guy like that right now. While that's ultimately Gus' fault, I think it would be a mistake to fire him.
Gus has to have a 1st round caliber QB to be successful. Let us all just accept that now. I don't think anyone can argue against this point anymore.
We know that when he has that kind of player, his offense is difficult to stop. It sucks to have to deal with it for now, but I firmly believe that we'll be better off in the long run if we stick with him. If we don't, we'll see him destroying defenses at somewhere like Kansas with some 3* 4.4 guy at QB. It's extremely frustrating, but I think we have to let Gus work through this.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 6:34 pm to stevo1905
Yeah guys like Nick Marshall arent exactly hard to find
Posted on 9/20/16 at 6:37 pm to AUstar
quote:No he didn't. Petrino was at Auburn in 2002, and Campbell wasn't the Campbell we so fondly remember until 2004.
Look at Petrino when he was at Auburn. He turned Campbell into a NFL QB in ONE season.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 6:44 pm to blzr
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Yeah guys like Nick Marshall arent exactly hard to find
I think people really underestimate how good Nick Marshall was. Dude had a cannon for an arm, improved his accuracy as he went through college, and was a good enough athlete to make any kind of defender on defense miss. He was also a good leader and a good teammate. And he was better than statistics show.
If they weren't hard to find, Auburn would have one on roster right now.
In fact, outside of Cam Newton, I'd say he's been the best college quarterback Auburn has had since Dameyune Craig left. Better than Jason Campbell and Brandon Cox.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 6:46 pm to AUstar
quote:No, but he does require a special athlete that IS a runner and a capable passer all in one.
No, Gus has to have a 1st round caliber QB to be successful.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:02 pm to TTsTowel
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In fact, outside of Cam Newton, I'd say he's been the best college quarterback Auburn has had since Dameyune Craig left. Better than Jason Campbell and Brandon Cox.
Well thats not exactly saying a lot. But there are a number of Nick Marshall type qbs around the country that we would have success with. we have certainly done a poor job of getting them
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:08 pm to blzr
quote:Which ones?
But there are a number of Nick Marshall type qbs around the country that we would have success with.
quote:Does the staff suck at scouting or developing?
we have certainly done a poor job of getting them
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:21 pm to TTsTowel
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Which ones?
Not exactly like him but the kids at Clemson, FSU, Louisville, Ole Miss, Ohio St, Oklahoma, Houston, Notre Dame, etc could all be successful here.
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Does the staff suck at scouting or developing?
I'd lean more scouting since we have JJ and JF3
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:39 pm to TTsTowel
I'm not trying to denigrate Marshall. He did some great things at AU. I'm just saying that there are athletes around the country playing in college systems right now that would excel in Gus' offense. This would be a completely different team with a dynamic QB, as it would mask many other deficiencies. That sounds cliché, but that's honestly the one thing we need on this team.
One could argue that to be so reliant on one player is a major handicap for the program as a whole, but the alternative is the potential to be a major national contender with that guy on the roster. I really don't think this team is that far away, and it's a shame that we're in this position. This is the best defense we've had since 2008, and one difference-maker at QB could make Auburn a dangerous team. It sucks that it's probably going to waste this year, but we don't need any more coaching inconsistency at the moment in my opinion.
One could argue that to be so reliant on one player is a major handicap for the program as a whole, but the alternative is the potential to be a major national contender with that guy on the roster. I really don't think this team is that far away, and it's a shame that we're in this position. This is the best defense we've had since 2008, and one difference-maker at QB could make Auburn a dangerous team. It sucks that it's probably going to waste this year, but we don't need any more coaching inconsistency at the moment in my opinion.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:00 pm to AUstar
Gus just needs to go frick himself
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:11 pm to blzr
quote:I will agree with all of these, but add that we have no idea if they would be any good at Auburn considering Gus Malzahn and Rhett Lashlee have never developed a high school quarterback. Each of these aforementioned colleges have consistently developed multiple good-to-great quarterbacks.
Not exactly like him but the kids at Clemson, FSU, Louisville, Ole Miss, Ohio St, Oklahoma, Houston, Notre Dame, etc could all be successful here.
quote:Throw in Sean White since he doesn't fit the offense that Gus Malzahn refuses to fit to the player.
I'd lean more scouting since we have JJ and JF3
Posted on 9/20/16 at 9:37 pm to TTsTowel
Does Gus get credit for building a damn good defense? He just needs to win 8 or 9 games. It's early, we played 2 top 10 teams. He needs to front load his schedule with doo doo teams. A win Sat will turn it around. One SEC loss so far and you bitches are crying-dumb. Be upset but don't be dumb.
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