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Gus Just Needs a QB
Posted on 9/20/16 at 5:31 am
Posted on 9/20/16 at 5:31 am
Gus will be just fine as long as he has a superman at QB. He is not Sabear: he's not going to win championships with a McElroy type of game manager. No, Gus has to have a 1st round caliber QB to be successful. Let us all just accept that now. I don't think anyone can argue against this point anymore.
Lamar Jackson is a world-beater, and I doubt we'd be singing Petrino's praises as much as we are without Jackson being on that team. Petrino is a great offensive coach, don't get me wrong, but I don't care how good you coach -- you've got to have playmakers. Especially at a school like Louisville where you're never going to have 5 stars at every position like bammer does.
Gus has shown he can recruit -- AU's classes are as good as ever. We rank #8 in the past 5 years according to 24/7. That's pretty damn solid. Show me a time in AU history it has been that good. I doubt it was under Dye and I know it wasn't under Tubs or Bowden.
The simple fact is Gus has gotten us into a stupid position where we have no QB. It's that simple, imo. He doesn't know what to do, so he tries all kinds of retarded "Notre Dame box" shite and makes himself look even dumber.
This is why he should just start JF3 for the rest of the year and go back to 2010 and 2013's offense. Just do what got him here: Read-option, running QB, with some short PA passes here and there. Make JF3 throw it deep about 5 times a game (even if he misses) just to keep the defense honest. JF3 is world-class fast. I had to rewind the game just to watch him run again. Dude is insane. If he could throw half as good as Marshall, we'd be undefeated.
Or we could fire Gus and end up with some shitty FCS coach. That's what we're going to get with this administration. Petrino ain't leaving Louisville. Herman isn't leaving Houston. AU will never hire Briles (and I honestly can't blame them). Who else is there? I don't see anyone that is realistic.
So, if our choice is Gus vs. rando FCS coach, I will just stick with Gus and wait for him to get a superman QB back on the field.
Lamar Jackson is a world-beater, and I doubt we'd be singing Petrino's praises as much as we are without Jackson being on that team. Petrino is a great offensive coach, don't get me wrong, but I don't care how good you coach -- you've got to have playmakers. Especially at a school like Louisville where you're never going to have 5 stars at every position like bammer does.
Gus has shown he can recruit -- AU's classes are as good as ever. We rank #8 in the past 5 years according to 24/7. That's pretty damn solid. Show me a time in AU history it has been that good. I doubt it was under Dye and I know it wasn't under Tubs or Bowden.
The simple fact is Gus has gotten us into a stupid position where we have no QB. It's that simple, imo. He doesn't know what to do, so he tries all kinds of retarded "Notre Dame box" shite and makes himself look even dumber.
This is why he should just start JF3 for the rest of the year and go back to 2010 and 2013's offense. Just do what got him here: Read-option, running QB, with some short PA passes here and there. Make JF3 throw it deep about 5 times a game (even if he misses) just to keep the defense honest. JF3 is world-class fast. I had to rewind the game just to watch him run again. Dude is insane. If he could throw half as good as Marshall, we'd be undefeated.
Or we could fire Gus and end up with some shitty FCS coach. That's what we're going to get with this administration. Petrino ain't leaving Louisville. Herman isn't leaving Houston. AU will never hire Briles (and I honestly can't blame them). Who else is there? I don't see anyone that is realistic.
So, if our choice is Gus vs. rando FCS coach, I will just stick with Gus and wait for him to get a superman QB back on the field.
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 5:42 am to AUstar
It's more than that... it's an inability to adapt to what you have that's scary.
A legit dual threat QB would only mask the root issues.
A legit dual threat QB would only mask the root issues.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 5:45 am to AUstar
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2010 and 2013's offense
You're discounting how crucial the O line was those years and the fact CM and NM could pass. Both years the line played incredible well. If we tried JFIII in the read-option, the line would get blown up, and the defense wouldn't have to respect the pass.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 6:24 am to AUstar
We need an OL too. They are a huge problem
Posted on 9/20/16 at 6:39 am to GenesChin
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We need an OL too. They are a huge problem
Yes, they are.
But here's the thing... the 2009 OL wasn't the 2010 OL. Were they mostly the same players? Yes. Did they play at the same level in 2009 that they did in 2010? Not nearly.
Ergo, its not ALL the OL's fault. That 2009 offense with an average, yet progressing, OL was an OK offense. It ran OK with a QB that had no mobility and had shoulder problems. Why? BECAUSE GUS frickING ADAPTED.
Something he REFUSES to do now.
We'd be 3 and fricking 0 now if we had an "OK" offense.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 6:55 am to AUstar
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Gus will be just fine as long as he has a superman at QB.
This is an issue. A big one.
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Gus has shown he can recruit -- AU's classes are as good as ever. We rank #8 in the past 5 years according to 24/7.
Great! Yet, we are 1-2 and heading for an awful year. That is on the coaches.
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Petrino is a great offensive coach, don't get me wrong, but I don't care how good you coach -- you've got to have playmakers.
You mean like the AU classes that according to 24/7 rank #8? So we have the talent.
Good coaches have the ability to coach players up and develop a game plan that will best fit their players skill set. Petrino is great at it, as is a lot of the other big time coaches in football. Gus seems to be struggling in that department.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 7:00 am
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:04 am to GenesChin
A run/pass threat at QB makes life easier on the OL... I think the strength of our current OL is probably run blocking. If Gus wants to truly commit to Franklin there's a chance it might work. We just don't know if JF can keep them honest with his arm.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:38 am to lowspark12
Gus does not just need a QB.
Gus needs a duel threat QB to make his offense run.
Gus either did not know this or still does not know this because he recruited three QBs in a row who were pocket guys.
I hope the recruitment of Woody B. and taking a shot signing JFF is a sign Gus now knows he needs a duel threat QB.
Gus needs a duel threat QB to make his offense run.
Gus either did not know this or still does not know this because he recruited three QBs in a row who were pocket guys.
I hope the recruitment of Woody B. and taking a shot signing JFF is a sign Gus now knows he needs a duel threat QB.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:05 am to bird35
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Gus needs a duel threat QB to make his offense run.
Was Chris Todd noted for his mobility?
Ryan Aplin (Arky State (10-3) 2012, 3342 passing yards, 24 passing TDs, 4 ints, 438 rushing yards)?
David Johnson (Tulsa (11-3) 2008, 4059 passing yards, 46 passing TDs, 18 ints, 186 rushing yards)?
Paul Smith (Tulsa (10-4) 2007, 5065 passing yards, 47 passing TDs, 19 ints, 119 rushing yards)?
Casey Dick and Mitch Mustain (Arkansas (10-4) 2006, 1875 passing yards, 19 passing TDs, 15 ints, -32 rushing yards)?
Are these the kind of "dual threat" players that you are referring to?
Where did the coach go who coached those guys?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:07 am to beatbammer
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Was Chris Todd noted for his mobility?
Did Chris Todd have any success against quality defenses?
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Ryan Aplin
David Johnson
Paul Smith
Did they play in the SEC?
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Casey Dick and Mitch Mustain
I agree that Auburn could do well if we had 2 Round 1 RBs, 3 future drafted OL and defenses who had not yet adjusted to the HUNH/Spread
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 8:09 am
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:12 am to beatbammer
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Where did the coach go who coached those guys?
IIRC, none of those QBs were recruited by Gus and all had previous experience under a different HC. Maybe the issue is either evaluating high school talent and/or developing them once they're here.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:16 am to AUstar
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This is why he should just start JF3 for the rest of the year
When it's 4th and 15 and the game is on the line, JF3 will get you 10 yds before running out of bounds.
JF3 isn't Nick Marshall, don't fool yourself. He's fast but that's all I have seen. He holds the football like a sack lunch and he's going to have ball handling issues once he stops running out of bounds. Defenses will never respect the pass and you'll only see ridiculous gains when they're playing a soft coverage like aTm.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:17 am to AUstar
the only way a QB could help Gus is if he had a fricking moving van.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:24 am to slacker130
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JF3 isn't Nick Marshall, don't fool yourself
Jf3 is a good athlete playing quarterback.
Nick Marshall was an assassin
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:27 am to GenesChin
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Did Chris Todd have any success against quality defenses?
Enough to win all our non-conference games (including West Virginia) and to win 3 conference games (MSU, Tennessee, and Ole Miss).
Will we accomplish that this year, do you think?
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Did they play in the SEC?
Ridiculous statement. Trite and stupid.
No, they didn't play in the SEC. Nor did they have SEC talent on the OL, at WR, or at RB. Nor did they have an SEC defense on the field when they were on the sideline.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:40 am to AUstar
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Gus will be just fine as long as he has a superman at QB.
I've lost all faith. Sean White is a very accurate qb and Gus makes him look like Shite. I can't help but think the beast "Joey Gatewood" will turn to shite once he's in Gus' offense.
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Lamar Jackson is a world-beater, and I doubt we'd be singing Petrino's praises as much as we are without Jackson being on that team.
Bullshite. Petrino can make you look stupid on defense. Have you seen them play this year? They have wide open wr's all over the field. He would give teams fits in the SEC that aren't used to that type "air it out" style.
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Gus has shown he can recruit -- AU's classes are as good as ever. We rank #8 in the past 5 years according to 24/7. That's pretty damn solid. Show me a time in AU history it has been that good. I doubt it was under Dye and I know it wasn't under Tubs or Bowden.
Doesn't mean anything if you aren't winning. Todd Herman and Petrino are beating the brakes off P5 schools with 3 stars
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The simple fact is Gus has gotten us into a stupid position where we have no QB. It's that simple, imo. He doesn't know what to do, so he tries all kinds of retarded "Notre Dame box" shite and makes himself look even dumber.
Sean White is decent enough that Gus should be able to adapt his offense. We should be mixing in the run and passes that Sean White can hit like slants outs posts etc. We could be 2-1 or 3-0 if Gus had brains.
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So, if our choice is Gus vs. rando FCS coach, I will just stick with Gus and wait for him to get a superman QB back on the field.
So you're okay going for 6 wins a year with the occasional 9 just because we find a QB that can run around in circles and escape pressure. That's idiotic logic. We need stability I think we've found that on defense now If we could just match it on the other side.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:54 am to AUtigR24
reading some of the excuses people make for Gus is ridiculous. us struggling with teams like Jacksonville St last year is like a guy in a gd funny car struggling to win a street race. we arent stinking it up this bad from a lack of talent at any position. lets not kid ourselves here.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 9:02 am to AUstar
I'm gonna agree with some of the posters in this thread about the O line. O line play is lacking, thus causing the QB to be hurried or flustered or sacked. O line play is also critical for the rushing attack that we have been used to at Auburn.
I still think we go 8-4 though.
I still think we go 8-4 though.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:50 am to AUstar
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Lamar Jackson is a world-beater, and I doubt we'd be singing Petrino's praises as much as we are without Jackson being on that team. Petrino is a great offensive coach, don't get me wrong, but I don't care how good you coach -- you've got to have playmakers. Especially at a school like Louisville where you're never going to have 5 stars at every position like bammer does.
Uhm, Petrino has been doing the same thing as you're seeing now everywhere he has been. You think he was getting 5-star talent when he was coaching at Arkansas and still beating SEC teams? How about his first tenure at Louisville? Lamar Jackson was a ~3 star who he's built up big time in terms of actual passing/QB ability. Better yet, Petrino has adjusted his offense to utilize a freak running QB, something that he's never had in the past while our own HS caliber "offensive mind" has been trying to fit square pegs into a round hole for how many years now?
Petrino is a real offensive coach. Whatever pieces you give him, he'll find something that at least works on some level. When was the last time you saw a Petrino offense that didn't have a QB? And you know full well that he's not signing 5-star QBs.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:07 pm to metafour
quote:All this.
Petrino is a real offensive coach. Whatever pieces you give him, he'll find something that at least works on some level. When was the last time you saw a Petrino offense that didn't have a QB? And you know full well that he's not signing 5-star QBs.
Hell, the knock on Petrino at Arky was that he wouldn't know how to use a dual-threat guy like Cam because all he ever coached were drop-back passers. That argument looks pretty stupid now.
And Petrino's last season at Arky, he went 11-2, with his only two losses coming against the teams that played each other for the BCSC. If the Hawgs had been in any other division of any other conference they'd probably have finished 12-0 and played LSU for the title.
Arky's recruiting rankings on Rivals f0r 2008-2011?
#36 Nationally (#11 SEC)
#16 (#9)
#52 (#12)
#25 (#9)
As for "playmakers" - over those four classes he signed exactly ONE Rivals 5-star, and that was on defense (Darius Winston, who was a bust).
I'm not advocating going after Petrino, that's a pipe dream anyway. I'm just saying that a good offensive coach is capable of adapting his offense to the abilities of the players on his roster, and doesn't have to have a 'playmaker' fall into his lap to be effective.
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