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re: Gus gets extension to 2020
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:39 am to Weagle25
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:39 am to Weagle25
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Except it wasn't hurting recruiting...
It's not much money in the scheme of the business of Auburn football to assure it won't become an issue. Especially since recruiting classes are generally made on one or two big pick ups right at the end of the year. Those relationships are normally fostered for a few years and often cemented in season no matter whether the team is winning or loosing. A good recruiting coach can spin the success of winning or the frustration of loosing to a recruit, but he can't say I'll be here if there is evidence to suggest otherwise.
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:40 am to WareagleKK
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The HC always needs to have at least 4 years left on his deal, from a recruiting perspective.
Yes. Plus, as much as I have issues about things we shouldn't fire Gus unless we are positive he isn't the guy.
As much as we hate to admit it, we have no pull for elite coaches. Not sure why we think it is a guarantee to hire a coach who can win 9+ games regularly.
Keep in mind we ended up with 5-19 Chizik followed by 1YR HC Gus Malzahn last two coaching searches
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 9:41 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:45 am to Tigerman97
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It's not much money in the scheme of the business of Auburn football to assure it won't become an issue.
It guaranteed like an extra 2 mill for something that we don't see much of a reward for.
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Especially since recruiting classes are generally made on one or two big pick ups right at the end of the year.
Ok. The recruiting year ends in Feb. The regular season ends in late Nov/Dec. Give him an extension then not now. Alot can happen in one season. Ask Gene.
Having your coach signed for 4 years is great in theory. But we had him signed for 3 and it wasn't hurting anything so why put ourselves in worse position for such a little benefit.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 9:47 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 9:55 am to Weagle25
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It's not much money in the scheme of the business of Auburn football to assure it won't become an issue.
It guaranteed like an extra 2 mill for something that we don't see much of a reward for.
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Especially since recruiting classes are generally made on one or two big pick ups right at the end of the year.
Ok. The recruiting year ends in Feb. The regular season ends in late Nov/Dec. Give him an extension then not now. Alot can happen in one season. Ask Gene.
Having your coach signed for 4 years is great in theory. But we had him signed for 3 and it wasn't hurting anything so why put ourselves in worse position for such a little benefit.
I don't want to argue about it. From my perspective you don't see the forrest for the trees. In the money of Auburn Football a couple of million really isn't much. I know of businesses with light bills that are bigger than that each month.
In recruiting kids are easily swayed. It doesn't take much. If you can point out to a kid that every other head coach recruiting him has a 4 year deal but the coach at school X then it will weigh on that kid. They are often looking for reasons to narrow the decisions. Coaches recruiting them give them as many reasons as possible about the other schools.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:03 am to Tigerman97
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In the money of Auburn Football a couple of million really isn't much.
What a way to run a business! Ahh it's just a couple million let's spend it for no good reason!
And while yes $2 mill doesn't seem like a lot to an operation as big as our AD, it can have a big impact.
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In recruiting kids are easily swayed. It doesn't take much. If you can point out to a kid that every other head coach recruiting him has a 4 year deal but the coach at school X then it will weigh on that kid. They are often looking for reasons to narrow the decisions. Coaches recruiting them give them as many reasons as possible about the other schools.
Again, it's not hurting us. I agree with saying it might hurt us later in the recruiting process which is why I'd agree to an extension after the season if I still wanted Gus around but doing it now doesn't make much sense.
All of what y'all are saying is great in theory but you do have to actually look at our actual situation and do what's best in that situation.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 10:05 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:04 am to Weagle25
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It guaranteed like an extra 2 mill for something that we don't see much of a reward for.
Are you wanting to fire him?
After all, the increase we are talking about is severance pay...
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:06 am to NYCAuburn
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Are you wanting to fire him?
Right now, no.
After next season, maybe. I don't know.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 10:50 am to NYCAuburn
Nobody wants to fire him but this is a make or break year according to everyone. I get the optics of the extension. Why add the additional buyout?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:13 am to Weagle25
quote:The problem with waiting is that if you are recruiting a kid who will sign in Feb 2017, and other coaches are able to use the contract length against you at this time of year, you may lose so much ground that even with the extension after the season, you can't make it up.
I agree with saying it might hurt us later in the recruiting process which is why I'd agree to an extension after the season if I still wanted Gus around but doing it now doesn't make much sense.
If a kid narrows his list and drops a school based upon worries of the coach's future, he could take all of his official visits and be completely be smitten with another program, and when the end of the season comes around, the coach finally gets the extension what then? The kid may have used up his official visits, he may have even committed elsewhere.
Unfortunately it is the way college football is today, and while it doesn't make the most sense from a budgetary perspective, it is something that has to be done - just like the arms race on football facilities, etc.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 11:53 am to PJinAtl
I get that. I don't see that having a huge impact on our recruiting this year though. If a guy is still considering us right now, then he's probably going to be considering us at least until the season. Not many recruits completely eliminate shchools at this point of the recruiting year.
It's something that seems it must be done but does it really have to be done? I don't think so. The results say it doesn't so that's what I'm going with.
And I'm not saying this is a woefully stupid decision. I'm just saying I don't see the point of it. In my eyes, we essentially risked $2 million to be seen in a slightly better light by maybe a few recruits who are probably not signing with us anyways.
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Unfortunately it is the way college football is today, and while it doesn't make the most sense from a budgetary perspective, it is something that has to be done
It's something that seems it must be done but does it really have to be done? I don't think so. The results say it doesn't so that's what I'm going with.
And I'm not saying this is a woefully stupid decision. I'm just saying I don't see the point of it. In my eyes, we essentially risked $2 million to be seen in a slightly better light by maybe a few recruits who are probably not signing with us anyways.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:01 pm to Weagle25
So we just added 2 mill to his buyout if we fire him after this season.
Or we added a 2 mill $ reason to keep him another year after we go 6-6
Or we added a 2 mill $ reason to keep him another year after we go 6-6
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:09 pm to AUtigR24
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So we just added 2 mill to his buyout if we fire him after this season.
Or we added a 2 mill $ reason to keep him another year after we go 6-6
We added one more season to his buyout. All this did was get rid of the annual raise and average out the remaining contract plus extend one year
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:35 pm to NYCAuburn
We essentially guaranteed bonuses too. From what I saw the guaranteed amount went up $2mill
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:46 pm to Weagle25
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We essentially guaranteed bonuses too
I didnt see anything like this
everything I have read is same total contract value with an additional year added based on average
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:47 pm to NYCAuburn
Well I never actually read the contract so I'm relying on others information but it came from an Auburn beat writer so should be reliable. I'll see if I can find the tweet.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:49 pm to Weagle25
The reason 2 million isn't much in the big scheme of things is when you run the style of business CFB has become you have to manage the image, etc...Holding onto 4 recruits can make or break you 3 years from now. Loosing 2 million if you need to fire Gus will not matter as much as loosing 5 million a year for several years if you tank a few recruiting classes and lose consistently over time. Auburn's best weapon against the consistency of our rivals is the ability to sell we are different than arkie and ole miss. We rise up and shake the room from time to time. It is our advantage. I wish we could say we win like uga or bama but we don't so we can't sell it to kids.
The extension protects against the threats being levied against us. Hopefully Gus figures it out. If he doesn't the next coach will be in a better position to hold onto the kids who already have interest in us now. The 2 million isn't much compared to several years of rebuilding and the potential loses attached to that in the scheme of things.
The extension protects against the threats being levied against us. Hopefully Gus figures it out. If he doesn't the next coach will be in a better position to hold onto the kids who already have interest in us now. The 2 million isn't much compared to several years of rebuilding and the potential loses attached to that in the scheme of things.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:52 pm to Weagle25
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Well I never actually read the contract so I'm relying on others information but it came from an Auburn beat writer so should be reliable. I'll see if I can find the tweet.
I am pretty sure the 2 million number is the additional buyout year/extension
Posted on 6/7/16 at 2:59 pm to NYCAuburn
From War Eagle Extra:
So I think i read that last tweet wrong. I initally took the 250K in raises as bonuses for performances and I don't know why. I guess i was wrong.
Makes it better but I still don't really see the reason in doing it.
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Auburn releases details on second amendment to coach Gus Malzahn's contract, extends deal to Dec. 31, 2020 & calls for $875,000 raise
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If my math is right that pushes Malzahn's contract to $4.725 million a year from his previous salary of $3.85 million
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But he had annual $250,000 raises built into previous contract, so value of deal would have been up to $4.35 mill for 2016 before amendment
So I think i read that last tweet wrong. I initally took the 250K in raises as bonuses for performances and I don't know why. I guess i was wrong.
Makes it better but I still don't really see the reason in doing it.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:01 pm to Tigerman97
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Holding onto 4 recruits can make or break you 3 years from now.
You're overestimating the impact of this extension.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 3:11 pm to Weagle25
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So I think i read that last tweet wrong. I initally took the 250K in raises as bonuses for performances and I don't know why. I guess i was wrong.
Makes it better but I still don't really see the reason in doing it.
Yeah, there is a lot of confusion because of his original contract.
All they did was average out his remaining contract, then extend a year
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