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Posted on 10/27/13 at 4:48 pm to The Nino
Posted on 10/27/13 at 4:48 pm to The Nino
I have nowhere else to post these but I ran over to Hogville to watch the retards color and found some gems
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Its a gimmick offense. Call it for what it is. You could take a DB an teach him to be a qb for Malzahn.
His type of offense is ruining football. Its not developing talent for the next level. An dont even say Scam newton. He was a juco boy that was 1 an done.
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Gus just takes his best athlete an throws him in at qb. You teach him the zone read an pray hes the next Scam newton.
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Well, given what happened to Mustain and the Springdale 5...
and, that Hootie only survived him by a year...
and, that Todd Graham, the next guy to hire him now has the worst rep in the FBS...
and, that Cheez-it managed to win the NC but is also out of coaching...
and that Arkansas State is trying to pick up the pieces with a losing record...
one does have to wonder if what he brings is really worth the cost.
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Posted on 10/27/13 at 4:50 pm to beaver
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You could take a DB an teach him to be a qb for Malzahn.
This is a pretty fair assessment considering Marshall is a converted DB
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one does have to wonder if what he brings is really worth the cost.
I want to create an account and troll them about having a winning record vs them
Posted on 10/27/13 at 4:58 pm to GenesChin
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I want to create an account and troll them about having a winning record vs them
Please do. Use the handle "Nutting" so I can keep up with the trolling.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 5:23 pm to AUCE05
Just go after the crazies. There are some that's levelheaded as well as a few Auburn people. I lurk there often just to freshen up my hatred for Arkansas.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 5:24 pm to AUCE05
I did HDN9807 for the years that Houston Nutt spent at Arky.
I also have a HDN thread out on the rant if ya'll would like to participate in the tFlagship hit an iceberg week
I also have a HDN thread out on the rant if ya'll would like to participate in the tFlagship hit an iceberg week
Posted on 10/27/13 at 5:55 pm to beaver
You can tell some of that is pure bitterness, but I don't think the comments about Gus' QBs are completely invalid. Gus still hasn't proven he can develop a QB, he's just proven his QBs can run.
Mustain and Frazier, two of the nation's top high school players in his system, eventually switched positions in college because they were so God awful at QB. Gus' system doesn't really make QBs drop back and go through multiple progressions, and it really pisses me off sometimes. If the primary receiver is covered, the play is screwed.
And don't give me Cam Newton. That dude was college ready and would've thrived in any system. But he played in a system that best suited his skill set, and I give Gus credit for going and getting him.
Mustain and Frazier, two of the nation's top high school players in his system, eventually switched positions in college because they were so God awful at QB. Gus' system doesn't really make QBs drop back and go through multiple progressions, and it really pisses me off sometimes. If the primary receiver is covered, the play is screwed.
And don't give me Cam Newton. That dude was college ready and would've thrived in any system. But he played in a system that best suited his skill set, and I give Gus credit for going and getting him.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 6:03 pm to AUTiger5
Cam was not a great passer the first three games of 2010
Posted on 10/27/13 at 6:16 pm to AUTiger5
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You can tell some of that is pure bitterness, but I don't think the comments about Gus' QBs are completely invalid. Gus still hasn't proven he can develop a QB, he's just proven his QBs can run.
This is not completely true.
Noodle arm Chris Todd had stats of the following in 2009:
2612 yards passing, 60.4% completions, 7.96 yards an attempt, 22 TDs passing, 6 INTs, 145.7 rating
2008 his QB threw for just over 4000 yards, 64%, 46 TDs to 18 INT, 178.7 rating.
2007 his Qb threw for 5000 yards, 60%, 47 TDs to 19 INTs.
The year before Gus got to Tulsa in 2006 the same QB only threw for 2700 yards with 15 TDs to 9 INTs.
Anyone that can produce the kinds of passing numbers we had in 2009 with a weak armed and non-mobile QB like Todd can straight up coach QBs.
The fact that these highly rated Ark high school QBs wind up being complete busts I don't think we can directly blame on Gus.
I will agree that he simplifies the progressions a great deal, and that probably wouldn't help an Auburn QB at the next level.
I guess whoever wins the next QB battle be it JJ, Queen, or whoever will truly tell the tale on his development skills.
This post was edited on 10/27/13 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 10/27/13 at 6:57 pm to LanierSpots
45-17
Posted on 10/27/13 at 7:35 pm to AUTiger5
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Gus still hasn't proven he can develop a QB, he's just proven his
It's not Gus's job to "develop a QB" as people traditionally mean it. His job is to win games and he has developed a system that does a pretty good job of that.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 10:17 pm to Sigma
Saw this on another board. The resemblance is striking.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 10:44 pm to marshallcotiger
Honestly, since he came to Auburn, Gus has started to become really run heavy. He used to be extremely balanced and pass very well from my understanding. When he was a HS coach, he was known for producing hot shot QBs not mobile RBs (I don't see Rhett Lashlee winning foot races anytime soon)
I believe what Gus has found is that if he finds a dangerous runner and plays smoushmouth football, he can be dominant. Why pass the ball more than 20-25x /game when your offense is averaging 6 YPC and have put in the play action pass?
Ellis Johnson had this to say
Looks like we are fricked
I believe what Gus has found is that if he finds a dangerous runner and plays smoushmouth football, he can be dominant. Why pass the ball more than 20-25x /game when your offense is averaging 6 YPC and have put in the play action pass?
Ellis Johnson had this to say
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Said Auburn has to be "gap sound" against Arkansas this weekend. "Against a team like this, your linebacker play in the gaps and the safeties dropping down have to have just the right fit."
Looks like we are fricked
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:06 pm to GenesChin
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I believe what Gus has found is that if he finds a dangerous runner and plays smoushmouth football, he can be dominant. Why pass the ball more than 20-25x /game when your offense is averaging 6 YPC and have put in the play action pass?
If you think about it, we basically have 4 pass plays that we can complete with any regularity.
1) WR screen
2) Play action slant to the slot
3) 5 yd hitch
4) chunk it deep to Coates or the guy running the wheel route
This scares me a little bit, especially against teams that can slow down our run game. Lack of a developed intermediate passing game has been the Achilles heel of Gus's offenses at AU.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:15 pm to Sigma
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Lack of a developed intermediate passing game has been the Achilles heel of Gus's offenses at AU.
This is actually the biggest reason I am not a fan of Gus' offense. I believe it can be changed but don't think it will anytime soon (Gus + current QB ability limits this)
For now though, when we have a run offense as powerful as we do and a solid downfield playaction pass game, I am not worried
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:48 pm to GenesChin
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Honestly, since he came to Auburn, Gus has started to become really run heavy. He used to be extremely balanced and pass very well from my understanding. When he was a HS coach, he was known for producing hot shot QBs not mobile RBs (I don't see Rhett Lashlee winning foot races anytime soon)
He really hasn't changed all that much, though he has been more extreme with the splits the last few years at Auburn. He had a 4,000 yard passer his second year at Tulsa and rushed the ball slightly over 60% of the time. Even when he had a 5,000 yard passer his first year at Tulsa he still ran more than he passed. And last year at Ark St he ran the ball almost 60% of the time and had Aplin passing for over 3300 yards.
Gus has always gone for close to a 60/40 run/pass split, but here at Auburn the last couple years he's gone closer to 70/30 run/pass, which is a problem. And he's doing that simply because we have crap passing at QB (or in the case of Cam in 2010 just because he was amazing and had almost 3000 yards passing with the 70/30 split).
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believe what Gus has found is that if he finds a dangerous runner and plays smoushmouth football, he can be dominant. Why pass the ball more than 20-25x /game when your offense is averaging 6 YPC and have put in the play action pass?
Gus has pretty much always had dangerous runners who run for lots of yards though, what's changed is that here at Auburn the last two years his QBs have sucked throwing the ball, particularly deep.
But at Tulsa, Ark State, and in 2009 here he had a 60/40 split, and I think that is what we will see long term as well, once we actually have a capable passer. The QBs Gus is recruiting aren't runners, they are guys like JJ who are pocket passers with solid mobility. Which is really what this offense needs to click on all cylinders.
The lack of a crossing route in our offense has been the one thing that annoys me with Gus's offense. But in large part that is due to Gus wanting to keep the middle running lanes wide open for the running game. But in order for that to happen we have to keep the safeties back by completing the routes 15+ down field.
Posted on 10/28/13 at 12:26 am to auyushu
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Gus has always gone for close to a 60/40 run/pass split, but here at Auburn the last couple years he's gone closer to 70/30 run/pass,
Traditionally, very few non Mike Leach/AirRaid teams are pass heavy. That said, you are right and Gus does like to run the ball at about a 60/40 split. He just hasn't done that at AU.
Gus can have a passing game but right now it doesn't make sense when our QBs are average passers but superior running QBs
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The lack of a crossing route in our offense has been the one thing that annoys me with Gus's offense. But in large part that is due to Gus wanting to keep the middle running lanes wide open for the running game. But in order for that to happen we have to keep the safeties back by completing the routes 15+ down field.
Annoying as frick but
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Posted on 10/28/13 at 1:20 am to GenesChin
We also haven't caught or thrown accurately the crossing routes, thus we don't attempt them much.
I think we're going to go ape shite scoring wise but you have to believe with their RBs, they're going to watch LSU film and go right @ Holland. I have a feeling it's going to be 70/30 Holland/Frost playing time so we can 'properly fit our gap assignments.' Our safeties better be locked in and if so, I could see Therezie having a monster game.
They won't stop our O, Gus is going to have the Oline and WR blocking on point for this week. Only way this game is within 2 TDs is if we shoot ourselves in the foot doing some stupid play-calling 3passes&out shite or fumble the ball in the wrong places.
41-23 AU
I think we're going to go ape shite scoring wise but you have to believe with their RBs, they're going to watch LSU film and go right @ Holland. I have a feeling it's going to be 70/30 Holland/Frost playing time so we can 'properly fit our gap assignments.' Our safeties better be locked in and if so, I could see Therezie having a monster game.
They won't stop our O, Gus is going to have the Oline and WR blocking on point for this week. Only way this game is within 2 TDs is if we shoot ourselves in the foot doing some stupid play-calling 3passes&out shite or fumble the ball in the wrong places.
41-23 AU
Posted on 10/28/13 at 2:22 am to SamGinn Cam
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hey won't stop our O, Gus is going to have the Oline and WR blocking on point for this week. Only way this game is within 2 TDs is if we shoot ourselves in the foot doing some stupid play-calling 3passes&out shite or fumble the ball in the wrong places.
Yeah, not to worried about this game with Gus being from Ark. He'll have the team ready to go and we should win by a couple of TDs at least. Tenn is the game where we need to watch out for an upset.
Posted on 10/28/13 at 2:42 am to auyushu
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Yeah, not to worried about this game with Gus being from Ark. He'll have the team ready to go and we should win by a couple of TDs at least. Tenn is the game where we need to watch out for an upset.
We should beat both UT and Arky by double digits. And I think we will.
This post was edited on 10/28/13 at 2:42 am
Posted on 10/28/13 at 3:05 am to Weagle25
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We should beat both UT and Arky by double digits.
We should yes, but tenn could be a slipup game. Hopefully Mizzou puts a beatdown on them and smashes their morale.
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