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re: 2015 Auburn Basketball Recruiting Thread

Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:03 pm to
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:03 pm to
I wouldn't be shocked if matchups withthe opposing team + certain lineups dictate where TSD gets minutes.

His on ball defense and handling ability makes him an asset if the other team doesn't have a clearcut size advantage at the 2.

Posted by ellitor
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:58 pm to
FWIW I did a check on Horace Spencer given the tough season we are having and thinking we go between 3-15 to 5-13 in conference. Good news is I did not see any commitment status rumblings and nobody has crystal balled him to flip to UNLV. I did find this blurb on his play last month against apparently real good competition at a tournament via Rivals.
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In the paint, Auburn committed four-star power forward Horace Spencer was the man. He rarely strayed more than five feet from the hoop, dished out physical punishment and tried to tear the rim down as he beasted his way to 20 points and 15 rebounds.
He did that on 10-13 shooting and had some blocks per 247.
Posted by TiggerWoods
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:00 pm to
He is absolutely the most important recruit in this class. I think he starts at the 5 next year. He won't have a huge impact scoring immediately but his rebounding and defensive presence will be huge.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:18 pm to
It is annoying because I don't look at our basketball team the same way as last year.

Our team is competing and seems to look "in it" for most games. We just don't have the depth in the 4th quarter and don't have the options some other teams have
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:30 pm to
I think if our starters could play 100% of the time, we would have 4-5 more wins this season. When we go tot he bench, that is when we have some real scoring droughts. I realized that happens to every team when they go to the bench, but it is exponentially worse with how little talent we have on ours.
Posted by StiffDewsAreTheWorst
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Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:40 pm to
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We just don't have the depth in the 4th quarter


I get what you're saying, but still.
Posted by TiggerWoods
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 10:27 pm to
Did anyone else read the SkipJansen post on ITAT about Adidas? Not sure how legit this guys info is but it sounded good. Most of the big time recruits we have a chance with the next few years play for a adidas sponsored AAU team.
Posted by BowlJackson
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 10:38 pm to
We don't need another 6'8" guy starting at the 5. Not when we have somebody 7'2" and as athletic as Reed. He'll have a whole offseason to put on weight and train under Pearl.

Spencer and Bowers will give us a damn good 1-2 punch at the 4 though. And in a smaller lineup where both would be on the floor I think Bowers skill set would put him at 5 and Spencer at 4
Posted by ellitor
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 11:14 pm to
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Did anyone else read the SkipJansen post on ITAT about Adidas? Not sure how legit this guys info is but it sounded good. Most of the big time recruits we have a chance with the next few years play for a adidas sponsored AAU team.
99.9% of the members on this board don't have ITAT so a summary would be appreciated.

What I can say on the matter is per Hoke Coach Pearl is monitoring Under Armour's progress in basketball and seems to be content. Apparently UA has caught Addidas for #2 in AAU basketball world.
Posted by ellitor
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 11:20 pm to
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And in a smaller lineup where both would be on the floor I think Bowers skill set would put him at 5 and Spencer at 4
Spencer is 2 inches taller and a good bit longer and would probably guard the taller player. With that said if there is a line up with both of them on the court you won't have a 5 out there. You essentially are playing two 4s.
Posted by ellitor
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/15/15 at 11:56 pm to
Found Skip's post it was in the free section. A poster said this.
quote:

Anybody catch that comment on Tiger Talk last night. (Coach Pearl saying we are behind in recruiting)
But he went to pledge that Auburn will make up lost ground with a warning to the SEC.
Interesting comments.
What does that mean in terms of future players?
Skip said
quote:

Translation: "The current shoe deal is almost up and I've been given some assurances of certain things. That, along with getting the Komara noose from around our neck, spells trouble for the other SEC teams in the 2016 and 2017 classes. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

He elaborated by saying this
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Let me preface this by saying that this is not pro-Adidas or anti-Under Armour. I think you can potentially win with either. I'm going to say what I've said a hundred times here.
I want what our basketball staff wants. It's not any more complicated than that.

Anyway, here is what I was referring to (the info I told a few privately). Last April (shortly after BP was hired), a longtime Adidas AAU/Grassroots person told me that one of the head Adidas guys told him that they were going to make a hard run at the AU apparel contract (that ends in 2016) with every intention of getting it.

They thought that BP's background with them and his cache' with AU gave them an opportunity that might not exist otherwise. The AU contract would be a huge feather in their cap, especially after losing Tennessee to Nike. An AU deal would give them an extremely coveted and highly visible SEC program (football and basketball) just as the ESPN/SEC Network contract kicked in.

There was a lot of other stuff said regarding BP's contract and how it was negotiated (particularly the buyout clause) but for this conversation I don't think it's extremely important.

Like I said, I can tell you what Adidas says they plan to do. What I can't tell you is what AU's plans are. I'm assuming at some point they will send out RFPs. Maybe as early as a year in advance (this summer). Someone who knows the inner workings of our Administration would be much more qualified to answer that than myself.

Lastly, I'm not saying that Adidas is a make or break deal with BP. There was a lot of talk that last spring BP put UA on notice. Put up or shut up! I'd say they put up pretty well. All of our HS commitments/signees had UA connections and all but one played on UA AAU teams. I guess that leaves one question: Was it enough? Particularly with what lies on the 2016 and 2017 horizons.......


That brings me to Komara-

I'm assuming that the 'ban' is over, especially if you consider who we are recruiting in 2017. I don't expect AU to ever make an official announcement regarding it. It's not a good look. AAU basketball is perceived for the most part as 'dirty' particularly by people who've never been involved in it. AAU basketball is mostly good, but it's like anything else. It's only as good as it's weakest link. Enough about that. Let's just say it's over. Even our enemies would say that we've paid a big enough price. The NCAA set the ban at two years. A Birmingham law firm has convinced our administration for over 10 years that the ban should stay. eek1 Again, let's assume it's over.

It has to be over because the following recruits all play AAU for Southeast Elite and would all certainly fall under the Komara 'ban':

2017

- Austin Wiley
- Jamal Johnson
- DJ Harvey
- John Petty
- Wendell Carter
- Alex Reese
- DJ Heath
- Bradley Belt
- Garrison Brooks

For those of you who don't follow recruiting closely, please go look up these kids rankings. The talent is off the charts. Several of them will be at the top of our wish list (obviously).

So, how does this connect with the shoe issue? First, let me give you a sampling of 2016. If you looked at the very top of our 2016 wish list, three names would appear-

2016

- Josh Langford
- Kobi Simmons
- Braxton Blackwell

What do they have in common? Well, they are generally considered 3 of the Top 25 players in America for 2016. They also all play for the Adidas sponsored Atlanta Celtics AAU program. Why is that important? It's important because that was BP and TJ's 'honey hole' while they were at UT.

But, recruiting is about relationships. So that should still be intact, right? Well, yes and no. They still love TJ. He just wears a different brand of shoe now.


So, what does that have to do with Komara? Southeast Elite is the proud owner of a big, new shiny Adidas sponsorship just in time for the summer circuit.

How does this all affect Auburn basketball and the circumstances regarding our upcoming apparel deal? I honestly don't know. And quite frankly, it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks. It only matters what BP and his staff think. He may not feel the shoe issue affects him like it does others. I guess we'll see.

Bottom Line: If we give BP what he feels he needs, then I'm confident where we're headed (whether BP thinks that is with Under Armour or he thinks it's with Adidas).

Again, I want what our basketball staff wants.

That sounds simple, right?
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 12:12 am to
Reading that and hearing how Under Armor has subpar cleats that has given us problems, I'd say dumping UA in favor of Adidas is in the best interest of the basketball and football programs
Posted by ellitor
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 12:45 am to
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I'd say dumping UA in favor of Adidas is in the best interest of the basketball and football programs
That's really tough to say right now. We don't know how much each company will offer. AU overall has a very good relationship with UA plus one of their major apparel designers is an AU grad. I think Addidas would have to substantially outbid UA to get Jay to switch companies.

Also where did the cleats problems statement come from? I've heard they were a lot better this year.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:14 am to
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We don't need another 6'8" guy starting at the 5.


This is CBB not the NBA. If you have an elite and strong 6'8 athlete at the 5 spot, you don't need a 7ft guy. Look at the 2010 UofArizona team that made the elite 8 and lost last second to eventual champions UConn. They didn't play anyone over 6'8 any significant minutes despite being a halfcourt team.

Very few if any kids in CBB are refined enough at 6'10+ to dominate in the post against athletic 6'8 kids. Most haven't had time to put weight on to counter their higher center of gravity and few have gotten thte instruction to play that type of dominant game
Posted by WareagleKK
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:18 am to
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Spencer is 2 inches taller and a good bit longer and would probably guard the taller player. With that said if there is a line up with both of them on the court you won't have a 5 out there. You essentially are playing two 4s.


which is fine with Pearl. He never depended on a 7 footer at UT.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:34 am to
I fell out of contact with somebody who was a part of this. Need to catch back up with him solid guy


I'm sure that the post on ITAT has some foundation but the guy isn't getting the info from the business end of the AD.

From one of the guys who is in the negotiation/helps broker the actual deal

How our deal was made


-These deals are made off a combo of money + performance. If someone doubled the richest contract out there but with subpar equipment it would be a "big time offer" as long as we thought they'd improve. (See original UA deal)


-Auburn athletics officials who made deal did not believe in the "Nike AAU hype" like others did pre Pearl era (don't know current belief)

-Our deal with UA is a flagship UA program deal and we are treated as such. We get paid above market value and get more perks than what our merchandise value would be measured at


-Our special UA status was a result of being the best program in their brand, first major program to sign with them and some "scorched earth negotiating" (we leveraged our position to the max bordering on exploiting/making UA feel slighted)

-Our players do a solid job repping UA post grad like Cam and now Sammie Coates



Where we are now


-Under Armour pulled off one of the biggest hauls out there by signing Notre Dame. That adds another premier program to their brand. Considering our previous negotiation strategy, I would assume that would drastically hurt our position. Especially since UA wasn't extremely happy about us leveraging us like we did

-As mentioned, Tennessee dropped Adidas which leaves them with Ms St and TAMU in the SEC. More importantly though, Adidas has lost all major Southeast programs and has very very little exposure to Southeast MidAtlantic.

That would make AU a potentially attractive target and allow them to pay above market value for us
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 9:36 am
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 9:39 am to
No. Dear god not Adidas.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:10 am to
I would prefer Under Armour as they are clearly an upcoming trendy brand. If we continue to win and win big, we will be rewarded by Under Armour and hitch onto their wagon to the top. I wouldn't complain if we switched if we got a sweetheart deal.





Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 10:13 am to
I should add, we get an absolute sweetheart deal at the moment from UA.


We are (at time of contract) considered to be a top 15 apparel contract in terms of exposure, sales and other factors across all sports. When we signed our contract UA gave us a fringe top5 deal and solidly in the top 10 in terms of money and perks of contract.


When we signed the contract we clearly, and without a doubt, got the best deal available at the time
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 10:14 am
Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
7961 posts
Posted on 2/16/15 at 12:31 pm to
SkipJansen is legit. He doesn't have a lot of contacts inside our AD but he is pretty well known in the AAU circles. He is also not one to post just for the sake of posting. If he posted it it came from a legit source.
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