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The Vicious Cycle of an SEC Coaching Job
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:33 pm
The 5-year clock starts at signing.
Year 1 - Recruit well, show some fire, lose to Bama
Year 2 - Win a bunch of games, lose by less to Bama
Year 3 - If you aren't competing with Bama (spoiler: nobody ever does), your fanbase begins to move to the warm seat.
Year 4 - Your fanbase begins to turn on you, saying you'll never compete with Alabama (read: Saban)
Year 5 - a Final loss to Bama, fired.
This is now the life cycle of a coach in the SEC. Alabama (read: Saban) has ruined college football, and while I have nothing but respect for their greatness, they have set an unattainable expectation for every program in the SEC. We have programs firing coaches that win 9-10 games a year because he isn't beating Alabama.
5 of the 7 SEC west teams are or feel like they should be looking for new head coaches after this season. When does it end? It has ruined the magic of the college football season.
Really...think about it for a second. At the end of the year over half of the conference could be involved in a coaching search. That is insane.
What does that leave for a program like Arkansas?
Year 1 - Recruit well, show some fire, lose to Bama
Year 2 - Win a bunch of games, lose by less to Bama
Year 3 - If you aren't competing with Bama (spoiler: nobody ever does), your fanbase begins to move to the warm seat.
Year 4 - Your fanbase begins to turn on you, saying you'll never compete with Alabama (read: Saban)
Year 5 - a Final loss to Bama, fired.
This is now the life cycle of a coach in the SEC. Alabama (read: Saban) has ruined college football, and while I have nothing but respect for their greatness, they have set an unattainable expectation for every program in the SEC. We have programs firing coaches that win 9-10 games a year because he isn't beating Alabama.
5 of the 7 SEC west teams are or feel like they should be looking for new head coaches after this season. When does it end? It has ruined the magic of the college football season.
Really...think about it for a second. At the end of the year over half of the conference could be involved in a coaching search. That is insane.
What does that leave for a program like Arkansas?
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 3:42 pm
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:38 pm to ArCoRazorback
I haven't held Bielema to that standard I just can't stand the embarrassments like losing to Missouri, blowout losses to Auburn/TCU, and losing all those games in the second half.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 3:39 pm to arkiebrian
I agree 100%, but in the modern environment of SEC FB - Bielema is still moving to a warm seat if he had Ws against, Rutgers, TT, Toledo, Mizzou, VT, and TCU.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:17 pm to ArCoRazorback
He would be fricking safe if we just didn't look inept and would win 9-10 games in the worst sec since expansion. I do not expect to beat bama at all.
I don't even fricking expect that every year, but I expect to win 8 consistentl6 and every 4 years jump up to 10
I don't even fricking expect that every year, but I expect to win 8 consistentl6 and every 4 years jump up to 10
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:20 pm to ArCoRazorback
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I agree 100%, but in the modern environment of SEC FB - Bielema is still moving to a warm seat if he had Ws against, Rutgers, TT, Toledo, Mizzou, VT, and TCU.
If he had wins against those teams we'd be fine.
Its the losses to those teams that have landed him on the hot seat. Not his record against Bama.
In the Modern Environment of SEC FB... you shouldn't shite the bed.
Bert has shat the bed.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 4:50 pm to ArCoRazorback
You're putting far too much weight on beating Bama/success relative to Bama. Hog fans would be over the moon if we went 11-1 for 10 years in a row and lost to Bama every season, even if it was by 100 points every time. Hell, we'd be over the moon to have 9-3 and 10-2 seasons be our norm.
I dont know what makes certain fans over-value the Razorback program as much as they do, just like us thinking we can call up Dan Mullen and lure him away from MSU when we're pretty evenly matched with them for the last 10-15 years. Those last 2 seasons of Petrino were about our ceiling due to our recruiting limitations and competition, and I think it was mostly due to a perfect storm of in-state talent that was about to go away anyway.
I'm not sure if it's that little slice of success or that myopic attitude of being a small state with one big sports program that makes some of us think the Razorbacks are bigger than what they actually are to the outside world.
I dont know what makes certain fans over-value the Razorback program as much as they do, just like us thinking we can call up Dan Mullen and lure him away from MSU when we're pretty evenly matched with them for the last 10-15 years. Those last 2 seasons of Petrino were about our ceiling due to our recruiting limitations and competition, and I think it was mostly due to a perfect storm of in-state talent that was about to go away anyway.
I'm not sure if it's that little slice of success or that myopic attitude of being a small state with one big sports program that makes some of us think the Razorbacks are bigger than what they actually are to the outside world.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 8:03 pm to ArCoRazorback
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Bielema is still moving to a warm seat if he had Ws against, Rutgers, TT, Toledo, Mizzou, VT, and TCU.
This is so wrong on every level if your'e a realist, or have followed the Razorbacks before 1992
Beating Saban is something that's not expected. Blowing a lead and losing to a shitty Mizzou team, that's next level BS.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 9:26 pm to arkiebrian
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I haven't held Bielema to that standard I just can't stand the embarrassments like losing to Missouri, blowout losses to Auburn/TCU, and losing all those games in the second half.
This.
We're not LSU fans obsessing over one opponent and using them as a measuring stick for everything we do. I'd argue it's one of the things that makes our job attractive. Only SEC school in the state and main draw, college or pro, and no primary rival to be measured against.
Hell Petrino was 0-4 to Bama and didn't come as close to winning as Bert did, and no one cared. Beat most of the teams on your schedule, especially the ones you can and should, and the state will rally behind you.
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I agree 100%, but in the modern environment of SEC FB - Bielema is still moving to a warm seat if he had Ws against, Rutgers, TT, Toledo, Mizzou, VT, and TCU.
This couldn't be further from the truth.
Win Toledo and Texas Tech and he's at 10 wins in 2015. Win Mizzou and Va. Tech and he's at 9 in 2016. No one in their right mind is unhappy with that, save for those who would still be pissed about 56-3.
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 9:38 pm to Feral
Let's dispel this notion that somehow all these schools are firing their coaches because they can't compete with Saban. Outside of LSU, Auburn and maybe Georgia, it's not even remotely true.
Arkansas - Nutt sucked. Petrino was fired for off-field behavior.
Ole Miss - Nutt sucked. Freeze was fired for off-field behavior.
Mississippi State - N/A, Mullen has been there since Saban's first title.
Texas A&M - Sumlin has yet to be fired, but A&M isn't investing the GDP of some countries into their football program to be going 8-5.
Kentucky - Brooks retired and Joker sucked.
Vanderbilt - Johnson retired, Caldwell was a stopgap, and Franklin left for Penn State.
Tennessee - Kiffin left and Dooley was terrible.
Florida - Meyer ran off and Boom was bad.
USCe - Spurrier retired
Mizzou - Pinkel retired
Arkansas - Nutt sucked. Petrino was fired for off-field behavior.
Ole Miss - Nutt sucked. Freeze was fired for off-field behavior.
Mississippi State - N/A, Mullen has been there since Saban's first title.
Texas A&M - Sumlin has yet to be fired, but A&M isn't investing the GDP of some countries into their football program to be going 8-5.
Kentucky - Brooks retired and Joker sucked.
Vanderbilt - Johnson retired, Caldwell was a stopgap, and Franklin left for Penn State.
Tennessee - Kiffin left and Dooley was terrible.
Florida - Meyer ran off and Boom was bad.
USCe - Spurrier retired
Mizzou - Pinkel retired
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:29 pm to Feral
Just watched KARK sports.
CBB looks defeated... Looking down, not up like he used too. Nothing left in the tank.
D.C. PR however looks like he is ready to knock someones block off.
CBB looks defeated... Looking down, not up like he used too. Nothing left in the tank.
D.C. PR however looks like he is ready to knock someones block off.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 8:45 am to Feral
Agree with everything you said. Only person who was fired because they couldn't beat bama was miles. Even richt had some head scratching losses to Georgia tech auburn and Florida thrown in there that helped push him out.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:11 am to arkiebrian
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I haven't held Bielema to that standard I just can't stand the embarrassments like losing to Missouri, blowout losses to Auburn/TCU, and losing all those games in the second half.
Yep. Being a home underdog to TCU in year 5 is not acceptable. They aren't good. They were losing to SMU for a long time this past Saturday.
Honestly the SEC sans Bama isn't very good this year, and we're in the bottom portion.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 11:12 am
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:23 am to Hubbhogg
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Yep. Being a home underdog to TCU in year 5 is not acceptable. They aren't good. They were losing to SMU for a long time this past Saturday.
It's not so much being the underdog as it is the fact that we are still mentally and physically soft. This coach prides himself on physicality yet teams like Mercer are tougher and better prepared than us. I watched their game against Auburn and I can't count how many times I said things like "oh look Pettway up the middle didn't go for 15 yards" or "Auburn ran a sweep that wasn't an 80 yard touchdown."
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:32 am to Arkansasrazorback
That's whats scary. We could have some absolutely embarrassing efforts against the run vs Bama, LSU, basically everyone in the SEC this year
Posted on 9/18/17 at 11:43 am to ArCoRazorback
I dont think its that big of a deal for Arkansas. Having a guaranteed loss still makes an 11-1 season possible. If anything, constant changes in the sec should make it easier.
Arkansas teams should consistently beat ole miss, state, mizzou, 3 cupcakes and split tamu and east matchup, win one of ooc or auburn or lsu.
It just blows my mind how bad we are.
Arkansas teams should consistently beat ole miss, state, mizzou, 3 cupcakes and split tamu and east matchup, win one of ooc or auburn or lsu.
It just blows my mind how bad we are.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:33 pm to johnzorback
The only cycle BB understands is breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:38 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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The only cycle BB understands is breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
I think his cycle includes more than just three meals
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:00 pm to ArCoRazorback
Bert's hot seat has 0 to do with losing to Bama.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:11 pm to The Sultan of Swine
I see that seems to be the consensus opinion around here. My point above is being singularly applied to Arkansas. My point was not just about Arkansas, but every SEC school. Good is no longer good enough & great is no longer attainable thanks to Saban setting the bar so high. Look at UGA, that is a prime example.
To my point about Bert still being on the hot seat without all the baffling losses, I think that there would be a lot of contentiousness amongst the fanbase if we were going to 9-3 each year and maintaining our L streak to Bama. Same way people bitched about Petrino not getting it done. I get it, I'm discussing another layer that is really difficult to get your mind to frame given the current state of affairs.
Otherwise, there's been tons of fair points and good discussion here. Cheers to that
To my point about Bert still being on the hot seat without all the baffling losses, I think that there would be a lot of contentiousness amongst the fanbase if we were going to 9-3 each year and maintaining our L streak to Bama. Same way people bitched about Petrino not getting it done. I get it, I'm discussing another layer that is really difficult to get your mind to frame given the current state of affairs.
Otherwise, there's been tons of fair points and good discussion here. Cheers to that
Posted on 9/18/17 at 7:05 pm to Feral
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Nutt sucked.
You better hush that kind of talk, we'll be overrun with Aggies in here if you keep it up.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 7:06 pm
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