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Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:52 am
Ok...the primary beef I have at this point is our overall special teams play.
We recovered nicely from a slow start, which probably should have been expected with a new OC.
But our special teams play isn't as good as Cabot High School.
We can't kickoff into the end zone. We get every other field goal blocked (mostly due to totally inept blocking up front) and our kickoff return efforts are pretty average without AC back there during the bowl game.
I do think that JCorn is a solid PR man. Our schemes to block on punt returns do little for me, but at least we have a guy back there who makes decent decisions and catches the ball. Other than that...I see special teams as a train wreck that's gotta be fixed.
We recovered nicely from a slow start, which probably should have been expected with a new OC.
But our special teams play isn't as good as Cabot High School.
We can't kickoff into the end zone. We get every other field goal blocked (mostly due to totally inept blocking up front) and our kickoff return efforts are pretty average without AC back there during the bowl game.
I do think that JCorn is a solid PR man. Our schemes to block on punt returns do little for me, but at least we have a guy back there who makes decent decisions and catches the ball. Other than that...I see special teams as a train wreck that's gotta be fixed.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:02 pm to Rzrbackguy
I agree. Not sure why a coach has not been hired there?
John L. Smith can probably be bought out from his new Eastern Kentucky State Technical coaching job if we want him.
John L. Smith can probably be bought out from his new Eastern Kentucky State Technical coaching job if we want him.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:11 pm to Hogwarts
Hire KSU's Special Teams coach.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:18 pm to Rzrbackguy
Our problems on special teams all stem from blocking. Not blocking or getting blocked.
We let our FGs get blocked due to our shitty blocking. KRs we get blocked out of our lanes or scrammble out of them and let a missed tackle add on 20 yds.
I actually think our PR is doing well since we seem to be getting returns and typically he only has to make one dude miss for a return which is pretty normal in PR coverage.
We let our FGs get blocked due to our shitty blocking. KRs we get blocked out of our lanes or scrammble out of them and let a missed tackle add on 20 yds.
I actually think our PR is doing well since we seem to be getting returns and typically he only has to make one dude miss for a return which is pretty normal in PR coverage.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:40 pm to Rzrbackguy
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We can't kickoff into the end zone.
we can
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We get every other field goal blocked
dan skippers 6'10 frame is a leverage liability on field goals that gets taken advantage of
but he's the best we have until more depth is built up
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our kickoff return efforts are pretty average without AC back there during the bowl game.
dominique reed has had his good moments as well
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:44 pm to hawgfaninc
I felt we could kick off into the end zone as well but were choosing not to do so. That being said, I don't know why they wouldn't have just adopted that philosophy against KSU if we can kick it deep enough into the EZ to prevent returns.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:53 pm to hogfly
Our touchback % is like #118 in the country at 14%. I can't imagine we are doing that on purpose if we have someone that can kick it in to the endzone.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:58 pm to oklahogjr
A lot of people were coming down hard on Coach Segrest due to the special teams play. They were complaining mostly about field goals getting blocked.
But the field goal protection unit was actually coached by the offensive line coach I believe. So maybe that will improve with a new O Line coach.
But the field goal protection unit was actually coached by the offensive line coach I believe. So maybe that will improve with a new O Line coach.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:01 pm to Kilgore Snout
From Richard Davenport...
Defensive line coach Rory Segrest coaches the snappers, kickers, punters and holder on special teams. That's all.
O-line coach is in charge of protection.
Defensive line coach Rory Segrest coaches the snappers, kickers, punters and holder on special teams. That's all.
O-line coach is in charge of protection.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:09 pm to hogfly
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I felt we could kick off into the end zone as well but were choosing not to do so. That being said, I don't know why they wouldn't have just adopted that philosophy against KSU if we can kick it deep enough into the EZ to prevent returns.
the chance for a fumble is better than giving them an automatic 25 yards imo
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:11 pm to hawgfaninc
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giving them an automatic 40 yards imo
FIFY
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:17 pm to hogfly
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I felt we could kick off into the end zone as well but were choosing not to do so.
I'm calling bullshite. That makes no sense when we're trying to avoid their returner like we did in several games.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:18 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Our touchback % is like #118 in the country at 14%. I can't imagine we are doing that on purpose if we have someone that can kick it in to the endzone.
it's personal preference, but by not kicking off into the endzone:
- you have a chance for a fumble
- starting field position that's less than the 25 yard line
- starting field position that's more than the 25 yard line
- return for a touchdown
so half of the results benefits your team. would be interested to see the probability numbers and I'm sure bert has ran the numbers.
if I had to guess bert see's it as worth the risk to let them score fast on kickoff so our offense can get the ball back to control the clock knowing the opposing team can't take advantage of the kickoff every time.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:27 pm to hawgfaninc
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it's personal preference, but by not kicking off into the endzone:
- you have a chance for a fumble
- starting field position that's less than the 25 yard line
- starting field position that's more than the 25 yard line
- return for a touchdown
so half of the results benefits your team. would be interested to see the probability numbers and I'm sure bert has ran the numbers.
if I had to guess bert see's it as worth the risk to let them score fast on kickoff so our offense can get the ball back to control the clock knowing the opposing team can't take advantage of the kickoff every time.
If that is correct then we were also #104 in kickoff coverage so he might want to rethink that strategy.
Personally, I don't think we have a kicker that can get it there. We had Hocker his first year and we were #6 in the country in TB %. He clearly didn't have a problem with kicking it in to the endzone then.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:46 pm to hawgfaninc
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the chance for a fumble is better than giving them an automatic 25 yards imo
The hell it is. We don't have the coverage guys to get downfield fast enough or hit hard enough to cause fumbles. I'm 1,000% positive there were more returns out past the 25 than there were instances of the KOR man fumbling the KO.
Now our KOR fumbled the ball b/c we ran a RS-FR walk-on that never got any playing time during the season. However, we're usually kicking off to 4 and 5 star stud recruits that have NFL caliber talent.
It's all about the talent and execution on ST. When you have talented and fast playmakers on ST, you're ST will usually be pretty good. When you don't; it isn't.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:25 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
33 Arkansas 13 62 1210 1 19.52
We are 33rd in the country and are allowing 19.52 yards per return. We gave up 1 kickoff touchdown.
We are not in the top 50 in kickoff return yardage however.
43 Arkansas 13 18 125 0 6.94
We are 43rd in punt return defense average at 6.94 ypr.
15 Arkansas 13 14 186 0 13.29
We are 15th in punt return average.
We are 33rd in the country and are allowing 19.52 yards per return. We gave up 1 kickoff touchdown.
We are not in the top 50 in kickoff return yardage however.
43 Arkansas 13 18 125 0 6.94
We are 43rd in punt return defense average at 6.94 ypr.
15 Arkansas 13 14 186 0 13.29
We are 15th in punt return average.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:38 pm to hawgfaninc
I agree with you about the personal preference about not kicking into the end zone EXCEPT the KSU game then makes no sense. We were clearly trying to avoid their return game and keep the ball out of the hands of their dangerous return man.
The easiest way to do that is give them 25 yards. Instead we did unsuccessful sky kicks and even trotted out our place kicker to do kickoffs. This, to me, indicates that we can't consistently kick unreturnable kicks.
The easiest way to do that is give them 25 yards. Instead we did unsuccessful sky kicks and even trotted out our place kicker to do kickoffs. This, to me, indicates that we can't consistently kick unreturnable kicks.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 3:12 pm to Killean
I don't know if this Stat is kept anywhere but I'd be curious to know what our opponents average kick off starting position is. We may only allow 19.52 yds We'd need to be kicking to the 6 yo line to break even everytime. In some cases we aren't kicking it near that deep.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 3:24 pm to hawgfaninc
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the chance for a fumble is better than giving them an automatic 25 yards imo
You cannot be serious with this shite
frick it lets onside kick it every time! If it bounces, they might fumble!
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 3:26 pm to oklahogjr
would like to see that too.
I understand the argument, but I'm not sure that it holds water given that overwhelmingly our opponents are kicking into the endzone against us. I don't believe that Bert is that far ahead of the game. He just might have watched Moneyball a couple times too many.
I understand the argument, but I'm not sure that it holds water given that overwhelmingly our opponents are kicking into the endzone against us. I don't believe that Bert is that far ahead of the game. He just might have watched Moneyball a couple times too many.
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