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re: Portis and Qualls draft status thread, Portis & Qualls enter draft
Posted on 4/16/15 at 7:59 am to The Sultan of Swine
Posted on 4/16/15 at 7:59 am to The Sultan of Swine
Qualls game is not polished enough for the NBA. He could have used another year.
However, there are a lot of unpolished players in the NBA now so who knows.
However, there are a lot of unpolished players in the NBA now so who knows.
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Posted on 4/16/15 at 8:28 am to The Sultan of Swine
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Don't know if this was a great move by Qualls. He could easily go undrafted.
He'll get picked up somewhere. Be it D-league or Europe.
I see him having a chance for the Patrick Beverley esque career arc. But Beverely was way more skilled and a much better defender.
Can't blame a dude for wanting to support his family.
Guys going pro is good for us in the long run.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:24 am to STLhog
I was surprised he said he got an early to mid second round grade back, not sure how accurate those things are when the draft actually happens though. That seems high.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 10:43 am to STLhog
Yep Beverley was a much better player.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:01 am to STLhog
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Guys going pro is good for us in the long run.
I disagree. We don't have the pro talent to keep reloading every year.
I thinking keeping them and making a run at the Final 4 this year would have done more for the program.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 7:06 pm to boogiewoogie1978
So you think that Arky would have been better off if Portis and Qualls never came to Arkansas? That just makes no sense to me.
Would you be better if they both stayed until they were seniors? Of course, but we don't live in that world anymore. The only way a player does that any more is if they're not as good. I'd rather have Portis and Qualls at the level they played than have them playing bad enough to avoid the draft.
Would you be better if they both stayed until they were seniors? Of course, but we don't live in that world anymore. The only way a player does that any more is if they're not as good. I'd rather have Portis and Qualls at the level they played than have them playing bad enough to avoid the draft.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 8:09 pm to reedus23
Portis and Qualls both have done much to dis-spell the stigma and lies on the recruiting trail that:
Anderson's system doesn't prepare big men for the NBA.
That you can't be a star in Anderson's system (terms of PPG, national recognition, etc)
Anderson's system is one for only role players (no development).
You have to "wait your turn" ie no early playing time.
Portis was the fasted player to 1000 points in Arkansas's rich history (IIRC).
Both as well as others have shown that many of the knocks against Anderson's staff and system are simply not true (he is also kin to neither of them).
This will pay dividends on the recruiting trail, however, it doesn't mean the staff will recruit the player(s) the fans think they should, or get those same recruits. The staff values potential, hunger/want to get better, attitude, etc over stars.
We have a football coach with a similar approach to recruiting the fans adore for this strategy, basketball? Not so much.
But then we also have a baseball coach who goes out and signs the big stars before they go pro in the following months and the fans love him for this and the mediocrity he brings.
Anderson's system doesn't prepare big men for the NBA.
That you can't be a star in Anderson's system (terms of PPG, national recognition, etc)
Anderson's system is one for only role players (no development).
You have to "wait your turn" ie no early playing time.
Portis was the fasted player to 1000 points in Arkansas's rich history (IIRC).
Both as well as others have shown that many of the knocks against Anderson's staff and system are simply not true (he is also kin to neither of them).
This will pay dividends on the recruiting trail, however, it doesn't mean the staff will recruit the player(s) the fans think they should, or get those same recruits. The staff values potential, hunger/want to get better, attitude, etc over stars.
We have a football coach with a similar approach to recruiting the fans adore for this strategy, basketball? Not so much.
But then we also have a baseball coach who goes out and signs the big stars before they go pro in the following months and the fans love him for this and the mediocrity he brings.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:22 pm to DaleDenton
MA hasn't proven anything yet and has accomplished the equivalent of winning a baseball regional.
What has DVH done to make normally rational fans dislike him?
Must be something personal because based on accomplishments for the U of A as a HC, any attempt at comparison is comical.
What has DVH done to make normally rational fans dislike him?
Must be something personal because based on accomplishments for the U of A as a HC, any attempt at comparison is comical.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:32 pm to PygmalionEffect
I should add that MA can get us there, it's just that he hasn't done it yet. Like CBB it takes a while to rebuild from the depths our program dropped to.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 9:57 pm to PygmalionEffect
There are roughly 100 schools that GAF about baseball.
There are 300 plus that GAF about basketball.
Apples/Oranges.
When Mike has a team ranked #1 in the polls and fails to make the equivalent of the 3rd round in the tourney we can reevaluate.
But by all means cherish the mediocrity being given by a coach who has had every want and desire given to him when asked but gives nothing in return.
There are 300 plus that GAF about basketball.
Apples/Oranges.
When Mike has a team ranked #1 in the polls and fails to make the equivalent of the 3rd round in the tourney we can reevaluate.
But by all means cherish the mediocrity being given by a coach who has had every want and desire given to him when asked but gives nothing in return.
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:18 pm to DaleDenton
Well if there is one thing MA has been good at so far here at the U of A it's been his ability to avoid expectations, so I'm sure he'll do whatever he needs to do to avoid ever being a preseason #1.
We're going into season #5. The honeymoon is over. He's going to probably drop back a bit next year because he's losing two players early (wouldn't Cal love to have a junior) to the pros and he hasn't recruited well enough to just reload like top 20 schools do.
He gets a final pass from me for 2016.
If he can't get to the sweet sixteen by 2017, he's expendable as far as I'm concerned, whether he's competing against 100 teams or 300 teams.
We're going into season #5. The honeymoon is over. He's going to probably drop back a bit next year because he's losing two players early (wouldn't Cal love to have a junior) to the pros and he hasn't recruited well enough to just reload like top 20 schools do.
He gets a final pass from me for 2016.
If he can't get to the sweet sixteen by 2017, he's expendable as far as I'm concerned, whether he's competing against 100 teams or 300 teams.
This post was edited on 4/16/15 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 4/16/15 at 11:39 pm to PygmalionEffect
I look at it as MA entering season 3, as the first two years with Pelphrey's mess of recruits and APR troubles/lost scholarship had nothing to do with MA. It was in such bad shape a coach we announced as hired, bailed within 24 hours.
So in year 2 with all of his resources available/established we made the NCAAT as a Top 5 seed and won a game, can't complain.
We've recruited pretty well, and the 2016 team could set up around Monk for a deep NCAAT run. Can't see into the future, but it certainly isn't looking bad right now and if 2015 is a transition year into a phenomenal 2016 team, so be it.
Quite a bit different from what Van Horn inherited, a brand new stadium that for the first 5+ years was the top stadium in the entire sport, and a program that had recent success with no issues off the field. To follow that up he's received more financial support/upgrades than any other program on campus, hell he got a baseball indoor practice facility (something maybe 3 other teams in the whole country have) before our basketball program got theirs (last team in the SEC to get one I believe), not to mention virtually no upgrades to BWA since 1993.
Not even worth comparing the two, drastically different situations.
So in year 2 with all of his resources available/established we made the NCAAT as a Top 5 seed and won a game, can't complain.
We've recruited pretty well, and the 2016 team could set up around Monk for a deep NCAAT run. Can't see into the future, but it certainly isn't looking bad right now and if 2015 is a transition year into a phenomenal 2016 team, so be it.
Quite a bit different from what Van Horn inherited, a brand new stadium that for the first 5+ years was the top stadium in the entire sport, and a program that had recent success with no issues off the field. To follow that up he's received more financial support/upgrades than any other program on campus, hell he got a baseball indoor practice facility (something maybe 3 other teams in the whole country have) before our basketball program got theirs (last team in the SEC to get one I believe), not to mention virtually no upgrades to BWA since 1993.
Not even worth comparing the two, drastically different situations.
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