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re: Let's talk some Ebola and how it could affect us here in NWA
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:32 pm to The_Joker
Posted on 10/15/14 at 4:32 pm to The_Joker
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ebola isnt like the goddamn flu or measles. It spreads much more similarly to the way aids does.
Not exactly. Ebola is somewhere in the middle of the viral continuum.
It is not yet known to be contagious in aerosol form much like HIV. However, Ebola does survive for days outside the body where as HIV is perishes quite quickly outside the host. HIV is susceptible to heat, Ebola seems to thrive in heat. HIV is easily diluted and just some bleach and water is enough to sterilize against it. There are zero known cases of HIV spreading through indirect contact with an infected person. Every American that has contracted Ebola has gotten it through indirect contact or non-sexual direct contact with an infected person.
HIV can only be contracted via sexual intercourse, sharing of IV needles which directly exchanges infected blood into another's bloodstream. Ebola is contracted by simply cleaning up after an infected person and getting their expelled fluids/matter on your hands, clothing, exposed skin etc. (this doesn't exclude via breathe or airborne particles yet, I don't think we've examined it close enough here. I don't trust the research in Africa)
Ebola is a much more rugged virus. Survives outside the host for a pretty long time, survives post-mortem of the host for quite some time, and seemingly standard cleaning solutions aren't fully killing it and preventing transmission.
Our CDC fricked this up, our government did not take precautionary action. Of course some infected person, or a person that has a good idea that they're at a high risk for it is going to lie to be able to get into America where the healthcare is light years ahead of what is in Liberia. That was pure dumbassery to just go on the honor system, and the sequestration of these quarantined and observed persons has been criminally negligent.
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 5:07 pm to ocelot4ark
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Hopefully these people don't know anything, because it SOUNDS like someone sneezing in my face on the subway would be a problem.
Someone sneezing in your face is ALWAYS a problem.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 5:46 pm to The_Joker
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It's just frustrating seeing so many people in the US freaking out about ebola for no reason when it's not even the virus that we should be most worried about right now. It does not spread easily in industrialized societies. There's a reason every outbreak outside of Africa has been shot down fairly quickly. It's just catering to the fear mongering that NBC, Fox and CNN are profiting off of right now.
people gotta worry about something
reality is they have a better chance of being killed by lots of things other than ebola, but ebola is in the news so that's what they worry about
Posted on 10/15/14 at 5:53 pm to TheAggiesOverlord
My arse is going to Alaska
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:00 pm to Marty McFrat
I wanna go...
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:09 pm to ocelot4ark
It's fairly difficult to catch Ebola, that's why this is the first significant outbreak. The problem is that they didn't go after it aggressively at the start.
You have to have fluid contact to catch Ebola, that's why you're getting caregivers and families catching it. It CAN be Airborne and in fact an airborne version of it was released in Reston Virginia in quarantined monkeys but it did not affect humans.
More people died of heart failure after reading about ebola in the United States than have died of Ebola.
It'll kill a minute fraction of the people that the flu kills.
You have to have fluid contact to catch Ebola, that's why you're getting caregivers and families catching it. It CAN be Airborne and in fact an airborne version of it was released in Reston Virginia in quarantined monkeys but it did not affect humans.
More people died of heart failure after reading about ebola in the United States than have died of Ebola.
It'll kill a minute fraction of the people that the flu kills.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:25 pm to Marty McFrat
If we're talking about fear and everyone is in "we're all gonna die" mode, picture this...
ISIS or some other terrorist group infects 100 of their martyrs, then flies them over to the US where they travel the country and sneeze, cough, spit on as many people as they can. Scary shite yo.
ISIS or some other terrorist group infects 100 of their martyrs, then flies them over to the US where they travel the country and sneeze, cough, spit on as many people as they can. Scary shite yo.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:40 pm to opdogg20
yeah..
of course if they could fly 100 of their martyrs over here don't you think they might already be doing something?
of course if they could fly 100 of their martyrs over here don't you think they might already be doing something?
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:45 pm to Killean
Well, it's not easy to smuggle a bomb/weapons on a plane anymore. Ebola virus not so much.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 6:59 pm to opdogg20
Talked about that at work today. What if one of those bitches purposefully contacts themselves with Ebola then commits suicide via a bomb in a heavily populated area? Blood everywhere and now hundreds of people were blown up and survivors have Ebola.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:22 pm to Marty McFrat
MH370..... where's that damn plane?
Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:34 pm to opdogg20
My only hope for preventing that is ebola. Volunteering to be a soldier is one thing. Volunteering to be a suicide bomber certainly takes a special kind of crazy. But volunteering to subject yourself to the agony of Ebola while you die a slow, painful death? That sounds terrible enough to scare away any suicide jokester.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 8:31 pm to ocelot4ark
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I kid, I kid!!! Did she seriously cut you off?
No, she knows better.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:14 pm to ocelot4ark
Fall break for students is this upcoming Monday & Tuesday I believe... Lots of kids making their way back to Dallas.
Posted on 10/15/14 at 9:18 pm to Marty McFrat
shite. If this Amarillo one turns out to be positive for Ebola then this stuff is way more contagious than anyone thought. The virus apparently mutates ultra-rapidly.
I think I'd stay up here if I were from the Dallas area and was concerned about it. There's only going to be wookies and drugs at HarvestFest no Ebola around there.
I think I'd stay up here if I were from the Dallas area and was concerned about it. There's only going to be wookies and drugs at HarvestFest no Ebola around there.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 8:58 am to CtotheVrzrbck
While true that it isn't transmitted airborne, this appears to be a mutated strain. One reason it has been 'easily contained' in Africa in the past is because everyone in the village was dead or seriously infected within 48 hours. This strain has an 8 day incubation period (they think).
That delay, is what gives people time to travel around and spread the virus.
Its probably not easier to catch...still requires contact with bodily fluids of some type (they think), but...it ain't like the nurses that got it weren't taking precautions that are normal. Nobody in health care touches bodily fluids anymore...so you tell me. How did two nurses get it?
It could get really, really bad. Not much to do but watch adn hope you either don't get it, or are one of the lucky 25% or so.
That delay, is what gives people time to travel around and spread the virus.
Its probably not easier to catch...still requires contact with bodily fluids of some type (they think), but...it ain't like the nurses that got it weren't taking precautions that are normal. Nobody in health care touches bodily fluids anymore...so you tell me. How did two nurses get it?
It could get really, really bad. Not much to do but watch adn hope you either don't get it, or are one of the lucky 25% or so.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:04 am to Rzrbackguy
Don't know if it's true or not, but I heard they had people treating the Dallas dude that weren't wearing anything close to being sufficient enough to prevent transmission.
This morning while i was getting ready for work, had the news on, and they show CDC loading that nurse onto a plane. Everyone with her is covered, head-to-toe, in bio-hazard suits. But there's one f'ing guy just walking around with them, holding a clipboard. Touching them. Basically, being a f'ing moron unless he's already discovered he has some kind of immunity or some shite. Crazy.
This morning while i was getting ready for work, had the news on, and they show CDC loading that nurse onto a plane. Everyone with her is covered, head-to-toe, in bio-hazard suits. But there's one f'ing guy just walking around with them, holding a clipboard. Touching them. Basically, being a f'ing moron unless he's already discovered he has some kind of immunity or some shite. Crazy.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:21 pm to Hogwall Jackson
If you want to get really depressed, watch this:
FRONTLINE: Ebola Outbreak
Thirty minute doc about Doctors without Borders in Sierra Leone. Many people there think that ebola is a hoax in order to break up families. They hide out, and while doing so spread the virus to more family. There are aid workers who go out to villages that try to convince people to come with them to be treated. They don't have an ambulance, so they have to drive a hearse to pick them up. THIS IS NUTS.
FRONTLINE: Ebola Outbreak
Thirty minute doc about Doctors without Borders in Sierra Leone. Many people there think that ebola is a hoax in order to break up families. They hide out, and while doing so spread the virus to more family. There are aid workers who go out to villages that try to convince people to come with them to be treated. They don't have an ambulance, so they have to drive a hearse to pick them up. THIS IS NUTS.
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