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re: How can Coach B start Brandon Allen again?
Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:25 am to DaleDenton
Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:25 am to DaleDenton
Can we really relate what Bobby would have done to now? I mean from around the time he was fired to now we have lost numerous WRs. The fact is that position was a priority for him. As it stands, we probably we be much better off passing and catching but shite in other areas.
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Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:30 am to Pigimus Prime
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Can we really relate what Bobby would have done to now? I mean from around the time he was fired to now we have lost numerous WRs. The fact is that position was a priority for him. As it stands, we probably we be much better off passing and catching but shite in other areas.
That is the point, instead of trying to sure up weak areas, he would have loaded up on WRs again.
Think of how much worse off we be on the O-line, LB, and DBs had he been around after the arrests and defections at the WR position.
IMO it would have been making bad situations worse for the team as a whole.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:40 am to Pigfeet
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Well Derpy is even worse and if we were going to burn a rs then I think we should have done that earlier in the season. Seems like sitting back and letting what happens happen is about the only viable option at this point.
Derby doesn't throw it to the wrong team.
Look, Brandon Allen is fricking terrible.
You can blame the Saturday interception on the WR if you want, but the fact is he stares down his WRs and he is an idiot.
His late nights on Dickson during the week are catching up to him....
Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:44 am to Hawgeye
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Derby doesn't throw it to the wrong team.
They aren't held to the same standard though. Allen is expected to operate most of or the entire playbook but derby is mainly handling running plays and short passes.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:45 am to oklahogjr
Neither were throwing it to the right team once we started facing legit defenses.
After next week, we get a short break from those type of D's for a few weeks.
After next week, we get a short break from those type of D's for a few weeks.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 9:47 am to Hawgeye
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Look, Brandon Allen is fricking terrible.
I won't say he's fricking terrible...he's green and he let's his emotions get the best of him. A play gets called and it seems he's throwing that ball if the receiver's there/covered or not which is frustrating as frick but maybe he'll learn?
He's been through some shite too...I'm not ready to throw him under the bus. He's better than Derpy and I hate all of you calling for Derpy to come back.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:11 am to oklahogjr
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They aren't held to the same standard though. Allen is expected to operate most of or the entire playbook but derby is mainly handling running plays and short passes.
Yes they are. That is you just buying in to what Chaney said early in the year.
It was evident in weeks 1-3 this team had no passing attack. A blind person could see it.
Derby doesn't throw picks. He takes care of the ball.
Allen throw picks. He doesn't take care of the ball.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:17 am to Hawgeye
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How can Coach B start Brandon Allen again?
BA is still relatively inexperienced and will improve
Shoulder is still bothering him and will get better
Receivers can't get separation and has to throw into tight windows (not his fault)
Receivers can't catch and gives him no confidence (again not his fault)
He is the best we have
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:21 am to Hawgeye
If we had a mobile QB, we could run the read option, this is where a Mitchell or Walker would come in handy, but both are gone.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:25 am to Hawgeye
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It was evident in weeks 1-3 this team had no passing attack.
week 1 we looked like we'd have a serviceable passing game but nothing spectacular. I certainly didn't come away from that game thinking it would be this bad and i'd bet no one here did either.
week 3 we put in derby pretty early in the game.
Week 2 we did look shitty.
I don't think Derby is the answer anymore than pulling a red shirt. It's not like our offense gets better when you put him in.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:25 am to boogiewoogie1978
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BA is still relatively inexperienced and will improve
I've seen no improvement from him in any area thus far. I've seen regression.
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Shoulder is still bothering him and will get better
He doesn't need to be on the field if he is hurt. That hurts the team.
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Receivers can't get separation and has to throw into tight windows (not his fault)
My arse. He stairs down the WRs....this will cause very tight coverage. It's pretty simple.
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Receivers can't catch and gives him no confidence (again not his fault)
He looks for one WR. He doesn't look for the TE, who catch the ball. So yes, this still partly falls on Allen
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He is the best we have
Derby proved to be just as good a game manager. I also believe the best we had ended up at NCState....at least from a leadership and vocal stand point.
Brandon Allen is scared to death and doesn't have a leadership bone in his body.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:36 am to oklahogjr
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I don't think Derby is the answer anymore than pulling a red shirt. It's not like our offense gets better when you put him in.
Again, Derby doesn't give the game away in the first half.
All these ints Allen are throwing are game killers.
You could literally see the energy getting the frick out of the stadium Saturday when he threw the pick. There was no reason to throw it. He was blanketed in coverage.
If we want to win another game, you go with the QB that has shown the ability to take care of the ball.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:38 am to Hawgeye
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Again, Derby doesn't give the game away in the first half.
All these ints Allen are throwing are game killers.
You could literally see the energy getting the frick out of the stadium Saturday when he threw the pick. There was no reason to throw it. He was blanketed in coverage.
If we want to win another game, you go with the QB that has shown the ability to take care of the ball.
we put him in there and we can throw the ball no more than 15 times a game. We'll get destroyed. Allen may not be a master at throwing the ball so bad no one can catch it but he does actually make a throw every now and then that helps us out.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:46 am to oklahogjr
The QB position isn't the problem, it is one of many problems on the team this season...
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:56 am to DaleDenton
I agree that it isn't the only problem Dale, but you would have to agree that it is a position that, by making certain decisions, can lose the game for you the quickest.
What happens if he doesn't throw a pick 6 against aTm the first drive of the 2nd half? What happens if he doesn't throw the pick 6 at Florida? What happens if he doesn't throw the pick 6(it wasn't, but it was)against SC?
His decisions are quick killers to the team.
What happens if he doesn't throw a pick 6 against aTm the first drive of the 2nd half? What happens if he doesn't throw the pick 6 at Florida? What happens if he doesn't throw the pick 6(it wasn't, but it was)against SC?
His decisions are quick killers to the team.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 10:59 am to oklahogjr
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we put him in there and we can throw the ball no more than 15 times a game. We'll get destroyed. Allen may not be a master at throwing the ball so bad no one can catch it but he does actually make a throw every now and then that helps us out.
We threw it way more than that at Rutgers. AJ wasn't why we lost that game.
If you had given me AJs stat line prior to the game, I tell you we win by 10+ points.
A lot of the QB position is how does he miss his WRs. I'll take Derpy or any QB over throwing the stadium ten times a game, versus a QB throwing behind, below, and right into a CBs bread basket every game.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 11:08 am to Hawgeye
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I agree that it isn't the only problem Dale, but you would have to agree that it is a position that, by making certain decisions, can lose the game for you the quickest.
What happens if he doesn't throw a pick 6 against aTm the first drive of the 2nd half? What happens if he doesn't throw the pick 6 at Florida? What happens if he doesn't throw the pick 6(it wasn't, but it was)against SC?
His decisions are quick killers to the team.
Turnover hurt every team, just like pre-snap penalties will get you in trouble (something else that has been a problem).
It isn't just the turnover margin that is leading to losses as IIRC we had a huge advantage at Rutgers and still blew a 17 point lead to lose.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 11:14 am to DaleDenton
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Turnover hurt every team, just like pre-snap penalties will get you in trouble (something else that has been a problem). It isn't just the turnover margin that is leading to losses as IIRC we had a huge advantage at Rutgers and still blew a 17 point lead to lose.
Some of you guys don't agree, but I stick by my main issue with this offense. Chaney doesn't stick with what works.
The Rutgers game is a prime example. We were misdirection-ing those guys to death with Hatcher and we just stopped. There were so many plays you could have run using that same motion.
Pre snap penalties are bad, but so is calling a fake punt at a bad time.
Where is Marshall's touches? We were told he was going to be more involved after the aTm game. No sign of him since.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 11:17 am to Hawgeye
No, I agree. I do not think we are running enough, I don't give a shite if we pass for 100 yards a game, if that. The only true strengths on offense is run blocking and running backs, so run the damn ball until you have to pass.
Judging by Chaney's recent comments in the media, it appears he is adjusting his play calling to appease the fan base, they wanted more passing and he wants to give it to them, if that is the case, he is never going to work out here and needs to move on after the season.
Judging by Chaney's recent comments in the media, it appears he is adjusting his play calling to appease the fan base, they wanted more passing and he wants to give it to them, if that is the case, he is never going to work out here and needs to move on after the season.
Posted on 10/14/13 at 11:19 am to Hawgeye
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Chaney doesn't stick with what works
It looks like they are trying to mold these guys to the system instead of adjusting the system to fit the personnel, and the playcalling is baffling at times. In addition, I don't think it really matters who you put at QB when the receivers drop half of what is thrown to them. If Allen had the same group to throw to that Wilson had his first season he started his numbers would look A LOT different.
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