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re: Bikes Blues & a bunch of dumb whore trash people.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 10:11 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 9/23/14 at 10:11 pm to Stonehog
quote:50,000 is a lot of people. It's definitely a lot of bikes.
If you really believe that, then it wouldn't be the huge problem that you're making it out to be. So which is it? On one hand you say it's terrible because there are so many bikes, but when people bring up money you say it's actually not that many people. Can't have it both ways.
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Posted on 9/23/14 at 10:13 pm to Hog on the Hill
It's way more than 50,000.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:00 pm to Litigator
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On another note can I presume from your sig line that Okies are OK?
Don't even get me started. frick Oklahoma and me for thinking staying close to home and not rolling the dice and going to Cornell and having to live on rice and ramen, if I was lucky, was a better move. I figured the strength of the Oklahoma economy and low cost of living/gas/rents and accepting more of my transfer credits was the smarter play.
I've met some real salt of the Earth people in Oklahoma and some absolute shady scumbags. One of the worst just happened to be a biker from Oklahoma, but one of the best happened to be the guy that runs a huge bike rally and private campground.
It is true though that BBBQ is practically a meth swap meet for Oklahoma oilfield trash. The only time I ever see BBBQ event t-shirts outside of Fayetteville is in Oklahoma.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:02 pm to Stonehog
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If you really believe that, then it wouldn't be the huge problem that you're making it out to be. So which is it? On one hand you say it's terrible because there are so many bikes, but when people bring up money you say it's actually not that many people. Can't have it both ways.
50,000 drunk assholes on noise machines revving up and down the street until 3:00 am isn't a problem? Do you live in Fayetteville? I mean in Fayetteville, not far east side or far west side, Farmington or Benton County.
The number is used to claim it makes a huge economic impact. If you look into the study, it is literally a guess. Its a complete guess.
Where are these 400,000 people staying in NWA? You realize 70,000 football fans (less than, as maybe 30,000 at least live in NWA) fill all the hotel rooms around.
And if they aren't staying here, then the rest of that study is also horseshite, because it uses that 400,000 number and applies an average expenditure per attendee.
It doesn't take a lot of smarts to understand that the 400,000 number is horseshite. Its a logistical impossibility. And they even admit that it was a guess by a couple of dad-rock performing biker fricktards in the study.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:08 pm to wmr
If NWA had the hotels/restaurants/infrastructure to support an influx of 400,000 people, we'd be hosting Super Bowls at Razorback Stadium and NCAA Regionals in Bud Walton.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:11 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Exactly. You have to either really love the rally or be a complete moron to believe that bullshite.
SXSW in Austin only claims 150,000 attendees, if you count every person who goes to at least one event. It is a world famous event lasting for nearly two weeks, in a metro of nearly 2 million people.
Bikes Blues is a lot smaller than that.
You're believing a huge load of bullshite if you buy the 400,000 number.
50,000 doesn't make it any less annoying.
SXSW in Austin only claims 150,000 attendees, if you count every person who goes to at least one event. It is a world famous event lasting for nearly two weeks, in a metro of nearly 2 million people.
Bikes Blues is a lot smaller than that.
You're believing a huge load of bullshite if you buy the 400,000 number.
50,000 doesn't make it any less annoying.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:20 pm to wmr
I think the legit # of bikes hovers around 7,500.
Which is a pretty good turnout. I live way out in the county on a pretty scenic ride route. I'll count bikes while watching football on Sat.
I'll also be monitoring the creek I live on for campers and shake n bake methers. Can't wait to test my new toys.
Which is a pretty good turnout. I live way out in the county on a pretty scenic ride route. I'll count bikes while watching football on Sat.
I'll also be monitoring the creek I live on for campers and shake n bake methers. Can't wait to test my new toys.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:25 pm to wmr
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noise machines revving up and down the street until 3:00 am isn't a problem? Do you live in Fayetteville? I mean in Fayetteville, not far east side or far west side, Farmington or Benton County.
I live next to the motorcycle shop in the Holler. Yes, I wake up to engines revving. For three whole days. It doesn't ruin my life.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:27 pm to Stonehog
you gentrifying S.O.B.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 11:29 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
They're really making the area nicer around here. Running out all the riffraff and such.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 1:42 am to Numberwang
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Nobody said that. I said you're all assholes. And you are, whether you realize it or not.
This is something that crosses my mind almost every time I hear or see an absolutely negative comment in the general sense regarding bikers:
An uncle of mine once had a really bad car wreck on Hwy. 1 a few miles out from San Francisco. Having been run off the road by some a-hole who crossed the center line from the oncoming lane, his car left the road, rolled down a steep embankment, and came to rest on a rocky beach below in an area which was hard to see from road level. He was knocked unconscious and critically injured. But fortunately, this particular day, a group of Hell's Angels bikers happened to be traveling the same road and one of them happened to see his car. They all stopped and played a major role that day in saving his life.
This happened in the early 70s and to this day, I hope the memory will always lend to me a deeper sense of awareness and understanding regarding humanity than that which merely emanates from the superficial.
This post was edited on 9/24/14 at 7:12 am
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:11 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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If NWA had the hotels/restaurants/infrastructure to support an influx of 400,000 people, we'd be hosting Super Bowls at Razorback Stadium and NCAA Regionals in Bud Walton.
maybe - so again.. how does Sturgis, population 7K - basically Farmington by itself - have an infrastructure to support what it claims is one million in tax revenue?
I don't give a rats arse what the study says. Businesses down the street from you whiners create jobs all year, flow tax revenue all year, and create quality of life all year, and those businesses want the event here. I've posted that about four times now, and none of you have the nads to respond to it.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 7:39 am to Harry Rex Vonner
breaking it down further for the financially challenged minds:
I'm going to say 99% of Fayetteville businesses want BBBQ - ninety nine - if it's really 93%, too bad for the 7 percent
If I'm one of those businesses, I'm budgeting right now for 2015. What weekends are on my list? Several. And one is BBBQ. Numbers are figured off previous number's growth.
It helps me decide how many new jobs are available - full time and part time - for 2015.
Do I participate in whining about biker noise? Naw, doesn't even cross my mind.
And again, I'm one of the 99.effing.percent
Does the local Chamber give a shite about me? Absolutely, because I pay dues to them each year (probably paying it every Sept?), like everyone else, and that Chamber money is used to market Fayetteville, all year. For new events. For new businesses who would locate here. Etc.
All year guys.
So based on that alone, it's hilarious that you can only talk about "tax revenue" (which I also pay all year). Real dollars flow dudes. Private sector dollars. Dollars the fricking local government can't have, the thought of which probably pisses off the random white "Che Guevera" who grew up in Conway, moved to Fayetteville and became a Fayetteville "radical" who hangs out in the cool Dickson Street bars and loves to talk about how he did Occupy "Wall Street", except in Little Rock.
Business wins. Bikers stay. Whiners whine.
I'm going to say 99% of Fayetteville businesses want BBBQ - ninety nine - if it's really 93%, too bad for the 7 percent
If I'm one of those businesses, I'm budgeting right now for 2015. What weekends are on my list? Several. And one is BBBQ. Numbers are figured off previous number's growth.
It helps me decide how many new jobs are available - full time and part time - for 2015.
Do I participate in whining about biker noise? Naw, doesn't even cross my mind.
And again, I'm one of the 99.effing.percent
Does the local Chamber give a shite about me? Absolutely, because I pay dues to them each year (probably paying it every Sept?), like everyone else, and that Chamber money is used to market Fayetteville, all year. For new events. For new businesses who would locate here. Etc.
All year guys.
So based on that alone, it's hilarious that you can only talk about "tax revenue" (which I also pay all year). Real dollars flow dudes. Private sector dollars. Dollars the fricking local government can't have, the thought of which probably pisses off the random white "Che Guevera" who grew up in Conway, moved to Fayetteville and became a Fayetteville "radical" who hangs out in the cool Dickson Street bars and loves to talk about how he did Occupy "Wall Street", except in Little Rock.
Business wins. Bikers stay. Whiners whine.
This post was edited on 9/24/14 at 7:41 am
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:26 am to Stonehog
Well you can. There are a lot of bikes. Enough for it to be a hassle for residents. However, the estimates on economic impact are pure fiction. $80 Million is a shitload of money. I can believe 8-10 million
Posted on 9/24/14 at 8:46 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Once again, I'm fairly BBBQ neutral, but I do feel that you're ignoring a pretty substantial number of businesses who don't like it. I know you want a list of businesses who will close, but I think a list of businesses who report a drop in average weekly/weekend revenue is just as useful.
As someone who spends a lot of time on Block Street, I can tell you that most of the businesses there (RiffRaff, Savoir Faire, Shindig, Little Bread, Terra Tots, the Independent, Country Outfitter, Maxine's, French Quarter, Houndstooth, Dark Star, Good Things, etc...) all report slower than average sales during the week.
Their support of BBBBQ ranges from some owners who are fine with it because they need a break (Us) to loving it (Brian from the Mustache who says sales are slow in his store but is setting up a tent down at Baum to sell shirts) to absolutely disliking it and wishing it would go away (Lisa from Nighbird Books).
I realize that those businesses may not comprise over 1% of Fayetteville's overall businesses, but they are all downtown businesses who are impacted negatively by the festival.
All of THAT being said, I still am fine with the festival. A week out of the year won't kill the town, and it definitely does help out some businesses. I'm just not going to be as dismissive and scornful as you (Harry Rex Vonner) of the fact that some businesses and people are indeed negatively impacted by the rally.
Also, the numbers on attendance and economic impact are clearly inflated and a joke. And with that, I'm done debating this. People are too antagonistic in this thread to have any kind of rational discussion of the issue.
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By the way, here's a story that ran in the local news about businesses (actually just one business) who are negatively impacted by BBBQ:
LINK
As someone who spends a lot of time on Block Street, I can tell you that most of the businesses there (RiffRaff, Savoir Faire, Shindig, Little Bread, Terra Tots, the Independent, Country Outfitter, Maxine's, French Quarter, Houndstooth, Dark Star, Good Things, etc...) all report slower than average sales during the week.
Their support of BBBBQ ranges from some owners who are fine with it because they need a break (Us) to loving it (Brian from the Mustache who says sales are slow in his store but is setting up a tent down at Baum to sell shirts) to absolutely disliking it and wishing it would go away (Lisa from Nighbird Books).
I realize that those businesses may not comprise over 1% of Fayetteville's overall businesses, but they are all downtown businesses who are impacted negatively by the festival.
All of THAT being said, I still am fine with the festival. A week out of the year won't kill the town, and it definitely does help out some businesses. I'm just not going to be as dismissive and scornful as you (Harry Rex Vonner) of the fact that some businesses and people are indeed negatively impacted by the rally.
Also, the numbers on attendance and economic impact are clearly inflated and a joke. And with that, I'm done debating this. People are too antagonistic in this thread to have any kind of rational discussion of the issue.
EDIT:
By the way, here's a story that ran in the local news about businesses (actually just one business) who are negatively impacted by BBBQ:
LINK
This post was edited on 9/24/14 at 8:59 am
Posted on 9/24/14 at 9:13 am to hogfly
Well this thread has escalated a bit since I last read it. I was never a fan of BBBQ and always left town during, but it never inconvenienced me that much. Just an excuse to go camping.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 9:36 am to Bear-O-Dactyl
I have a brother that is a wannabe biker that will come up from Florida every other year or so and I will get sucked in. He says he likes it better than Daytona. I don't understand the appeal.
I hear there is a pretty good game in Dallas about this time every year...
I hear there is a pretty good game in Dallas about this time every year...
This post was edited on 9/24/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/24/14 at 9:45 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Dollars the fricking local government can't have, the thought of which probably pisses off the random white "Che Guevera" who grew up in Conway, moved to Fayetteville and became a Fayetteville "radical" who hangs out in the cool Dickson Street bars and loves to talk about how he did Occupy "Wall Street", except in Little Rock. Business wins. Bikers stay. Whiners whine.
I think you just nailed the description of these Frisbee golf playing posters.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 9:50 am to hogfly
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to loving it (Brian from the Mustache who says sales are slow in his store but is setting up a tent down at Baum to sell shirts)
wow, a business man that is forward thinking enough to come up with a product to sell (outside of his normal business) that will cater to these meth cooking, woman beating bikers.
No way!
You said your wife sells fancy paper products to the hippies, right? If I had a storefront, I would shut down shop and sell a product (For Cash) while the festival is going on. Guess that may be too much work for a normal hippie.
Posted on 9/24/14 at 10:06 am to CtotheVrzrbck
I have had an association with BBB since it started as a poker run over a decade ago and wanted to clear up a few misconceptions I saw in this thread. In the first few years the state and local government did very little to enforce tax collection on the vendors, as the rally got bigger that changed to an "honor system" and now they have tax assessors at the rally going around daily. They are treated exactly like other restaurants. That tax money stays locally.
The rally does host from 400-500k people across the event, that includes locals and people that only come out one time for an hour. A large percent are from within a four hour or so drive but we have people from across the country and other countries. In May I had a group from Vancouver coming down with 100+ bikes that I had to help get accomadations for. It is an estimate, but I assure you it is more than just a couple of guys sitting at Dickson and North counting for two minutes then multiplying by 4 days. It is impossible to get an accurate count on something like this, even head count at basketball games are inflated and that is something with admission gates.
Restaurants are a mixed bag but hotels are full the whole week at elevated rates, they do just fine. Anyone booking for this week after June or so has to stay out of town 99% of the town. We have had to put up last minute musical guests in Fort Smith and Tulsa before.
The event is required to pay for any overtime the police force incurs. It is a substantial bill but doesn't come from any tax revenue.
Finally, the event typically (actually every year other than the failed blues concert year that will never happen again) pays a tremendous sum to local charities. That is all published information which is easy to verify with the charities themselves.
The rally does host from 400-500k people across the event, that includes locals and people that only come out one time for an hour. A large percent are from within a four hour or so drive but we have people from across the country and other countries. In May I had a group from Vancouver coming down with 100+ bikes that I had to help get accomadations for. It is an estimate, but I assure you it is more than just a couple of guys sitting at Dickson and North counting for two minutes then multiplying by 4 days. It is impossible to get an accurate count on something like this, even head count at basketball games are inflated and that is something with admission gates.
Restaurants are a mixed bag but hotels are full the whole week at elevated rates, they do just fine. Anyone booking for this week after June or so has to stay out of town 99% of the town. We have had to put up last minute musical guests in Fort Smith and Tulsa before.
The event is required to pay for any overtime the police force incurs. It is a substantial bill but doesn't come from any tax revenue.
Finally, the event typically (actually every year other than the failed blues concert year that will never happen again) pays a tremendous sum to local charities. That is all published information which is easy to verify with the charities themselves.
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