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Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:34 am to vengeanceofrain
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:34 am to vengeanceofrain
I'm not going to overreact about last night. We didn't play well but Iowa State shot lights out. It was just one of those games...it's a long season.
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:47 am to ocelot4ark
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Is there anyone here that would object to Alandise Harris getting 5 minutes per game, MAX, with Portis eating into his minutes while Kingsley eats into Portis'?
not me sir, not me. i'd be fine with harris getting less than 5 minutes. i look forward to not having him on the team honestly.
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Beard
Bell
Qualls
Portis
Kingsley
i'd have no problem with those guys starting either.
i find madden and harris both just so frustrating to watch- seemingly neither has improved 1 iota since they've been here and by improve i mean get better by not making the same dimwitted mistakes repeatedly. i'm not blaming that necessarily on mike- i don't know if they practice well and then go stupid in game play or what. qualls is either fabulous or invisible- but at least he can be fabulous, i've never seen madden or harris even close to fabulous.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:56 am to piggilicious
Out low post D was awful
Transition D was just as bad
We struggled versus the zone they used most of the night
Transition D was just as bad
We struggled versus the zone they used most of the night
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 10:57 am
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:46 am to boogiewoogie1978
We had a bad night. shite happens.
Still a top 3 team in this league and should be a hard out for anyone in the first three rounds of the NCAA tourney.
Once these newcomers start to gel with the veterans, we should be pretty damned salty.
Still a top 3 team in this league and should be a hard out for anyone in the first three rounds of the NCAA tourney.
Once these newcomers start to gel with the veterans, we should be pretty damned salty.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:35 pm to Hawgeye
This might be bad to say, but never before in my life have I looked forward to seeing so many people NEVER play basketball again.
1) Harris
2) Williams
3) Madden
4) Bell
All of this is a moot point however, if the guys MA bring in suck just as bad.
Harris is a fricking train wreck. Just bullies his way into the lane with three people and throws up shite, time after time. Its a circus show.
Williams has the athletic ability, but good lord. Kid must just be terribly uncoordinated. Hit a couple nice shots last night, but so damn awkward.
Madden. Out of place. Slow. Ball hog. What more is there to say? He might score, but I personally cant wait to see his skinny arse off the team.
Bell. Who the hell recruited this kid as a shooter? He takes what, 8 shots a game? Makes 1? At this point, with as streaky a shooter as he is, I see no point in playing him. Having a guy in there jacking it every time he touches the rock is just demoralizing, especially when its usually donking off into the friggin stands.
I like watching good basketball. I enjoy watching Gonzaga, UConn, the Spurs. Arkansas does not play good basketball. They play shite ball. Trash ball. Weak offense, 1v1 iso jack up a contested shot shite. It makes my stomach churn.
Oh well, long season, Go Hogs. I dont see anything outside of maybe an NCAAT birth and 1 game elimination at this point.
1) Harris
2) Williams
3) Madden
4) Bell
All of this is a moot point however, if the guys MA bring in suck just as bad.
Harris is a fricking train wreck. Just bullies his way into the lane with three people and throws up shite, time after time. Its a circus show.
Williams has the athletic ability, but good lord. Kid must just be terribly uncoordinated. Hit a couple nice shots last night, but so damn awkward.
Madden. Out of place. Slow. Ball hog. What more is there to say? He might score, but I personally cant wait to see his skinny arse off the team.
Bell. Who the hell recruited this kid as a shooter? He takes what, 8 shots a game? Makes 1? At this point, with as streaky a shooter as he is, I see no point in playing him. Having a guy in there jacking it every time he touches the rock is just demoralizing, especially when its usually donking off into the friggin stands.
I like watching good basketball. I enjoy watching Gonzaga, UConn, the Spurs. Arkansas does not play good basketball. They play shite ball. Trash ball. Weak offense, 1v1 iso jack up a contested shot shite. It makes my stomach churn.
Oh well, long season, Go Hogs. I dont see anything outside of maybe an NCAAT birth and 1 game elimination at this point.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:39 pm to John Quincy Poodle
I don't normally like Harris either but in his defense he had a good game last night. With what 18 points? Even made two threes that I screamed at him for taking before they went in 
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:42 pm to gohogs141
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I don't normally like Harris either but in his defense he had a good game last night. With what 18 points? Even made two threes that I screamed at him for taking before they went in
I know right... awkward sideways arse shot... somehow made both.
I just dont know what the hell this team does in the offseason or practice?
Maybe just run pick up ball the whole time, thats what it looks like come game time anyway.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:33 pm to John Quincy Poodle
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Williams has the athletic ability, but good lord. Kid must just be terribly uncoordinated. Hit a couple nice shots last night, but so damn awkward.
I think Williams has been a nice surprise this year. He's definitely playing his best ball as a hog. And we need someone that can step up and consistently attack the soft spot of a zone. Williams seems to be our best option at the high post outside of Portis. He's super confident in his mid-range jumper. I also think he shows quite a bit more basketball IQ than Harris, the alternative.
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Bell. Who the hell recruited this kid as a shooter?
I don't agree with this in the slightest. Bell, also, is having his best season as a Hog, IMO. He's definitely capable of being a starting guard for a NCAAT team. Guys who can come off of screens and consistently hit jumpers are hard to come by. And he's easily our best shooter. Sorry, but I think you're off pretty terribly on this one.
Another thought I had about last night's game was our terrible screen game. We do not execute screens as well as we should. It looks lazy.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:18 pm to John Quincy Poodle
I'm surprised how down on the team and players some of you are.
Madden isn't a natural PG for sure, but he's a solid player. Actually, I would go as far to say that he's one of the top 3 players on the team. I think his growth and development has been great.
Also, Bell. He's not Rotnei Clarke, but he can definitely knock down some threes, especially when he gets in rhythm. I've also been impressed with his shooting from inside the arch this year
Madden isn't a natural PG for sure, but he's a solid player. Actually, I would go as far to say that he's one of the top 3 players on the team. I think his growth and development has been great.
Also, Bell. He's not Rotnei Clarke, but he can definitely knock down some threes, especially when he gets in rhythm. I've also been impressed with his shooting from inside the arch this year
Posted on 12/5/14 at 6:31 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Madden's role is just too big for his skill set. I would LOVE if we could get him more open, spot up 3's because he's pretty deadly from out there. Off the dribble? Dude needs to focus on either getting to the rim, or trying to setup his teammates. He's been pretty abysmal when trying to create his own shot and it looks pretty bad.
I don't see how anyone could be disenfranchised with Bell this season.
I don't see how anyone could be disenfranchised with Bell this season.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:20 pm to ocelot4ark
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I don't see how anyone could be disenfranchised with Bell this season.
Its obvious this was the first game several watched the team play this season, some were waiting for the first loss, result is the same hyperboles being used.
If I watched only the Georgia/Arkansas football game, I would say that the defense still sucked, can't defend the pass, etc. Obviously the truth did not lie within that game.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:30 pm to John Quincy Poodle
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Madden. Out of place. Slow. Ball hog. What more is there to say?
Madden leads the team in assists with 5.9 per game.
The next closest is Durham with 2.7 followed by Williams with 2.
This ball hog doubles up the next two team assist leaders on the team that leads the country in assists.
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Harris is a fricking train wreck. Just bullies his way into the lane with three people and throws up shite, time after time. Its a circus show.
Harris is behind Watkins (60%) and Portis (55.8%) for FG% on the team shooting 51.4%.
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Williams has the athletic ability, but good lord. Kid must just be terribly uncoordinated. Hit a couple nice shots last night, but so damn awkward.
So, he doesn't have pretty shot, so he must not be good, yet he is one of the team leaders in points per minute.
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Bell. Who the hell recruited this kid as a shooter? He takes what, 8 shots a game? Makes 1? At this point, with as streaky a shooter as he is, I see no point in playing him. Having a guy in there jacking it every time he touches the rock is just demoralizing, especially when its usually donking off into the friggin stands.
Bell is shooting 44% from the floor, 42.2% from 3 and 86% from the line, but he is a poor shooter.
When the facts show the exact opposite of all your claims, you are either judging everything off one game (hyperbole) or have some sort of other agenda for making such false and inaccurate claims.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:34 pm to John Quincy Poodle
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I like watching good basketball. I enjoy watching Gonzaga, UConn, the Spurs. Arkansas does not play good basketball. They play shite ball. Trash ball. Weak offense, 1v1 iso jack up a contested shot shite. It makes my stomach churn.
And there it is, completely agenda driven.
Just call it rat ball and go shoot a horse.
Arkansas is 5th in the country in PPG, Gonzaga in 6th, UCONN 227th.
But Arkansas is the one with a weak offense.
Posted on 12/5/14 at 7:58 pm to vengeanceofrain
I don't think we looked motivated. Gotta get up to win games like that.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 1:00 am to DaleDenton
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Its obvious this was the first game several watched the team play this season
Not me, I have either gone to, or tried to catch every game this season.
Maybe Bell just seems to miss every shot, and Madden just looks incredibly out of place because I expect more at this point.
It does not seem like Bell hits many outside shots, he is incredibly streaky.
My posts are not agenda driven, I just find that I dont enjoy watching some of these guys play. And thus far, IMO, our style of play is not conducive to winning away from home or on a neutral floor. When things break down, you have to have some plays and guys to rely on. I dont see it.
This post was edited on 12/6/14 at 1:01 am
Posted on 12/6/14 at 7:44 am to DaleDenton
Dale with the stats 
Spot-on.
It really doesn't matter to me how many badly Bell "seems" to shoot to you, when a quick look at the numbers shows that you're wrong.
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When the facts show the exact opposite of all your claims, you are either judging everything off one game (hyperbole) or have some sort of other agenda for making such false and inaccurate claims.
Spot-on.
It really doesn't matter to me how many badly Bell "seems" to shoot to you, when a quick look at the numbers shows that you're wrong.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 7:51 am to John Quincy Poodle
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I like watching good basketball. I enjoy watching Gonzaga, UConn, the Spurs. Arkansas does not play good basketball. They play shite ball. Trash ball. Weak offense, 1v1 iso jack up a contested shot shite. It makes my stomach churn.
all of this and let me add the constant passing up easier shots to kick out for a long 3.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 9:16 am to DaleDenton
People complaining about the offense like it was the problem in the loss. If anything people should have been pissed at the defense.
46%+ from the field overall, and 36% from deep normally is enough to at least keep you in the game. Not win a team shoots like Iowa State did.
I personally think that they matched up well against us. Niang(sp?) Was a big they had who could break the press due to that Arkansas couldn't fluster any of their ball handlers because there were so many. Isu did not turn the ball over in live situations like we would have hoped. They are a good team who beat a good team. We of all fan bases should know that sometimes visiting teams just sometimes walk into a buzz saw when they step into the arena.
46%+ from the field overall, and 36% from deep normally is enough to at least keep you in the game. Not win a team shoots like Iowa State did.
I personally think that they matched up well against us. Niang(sp?) Was a big they had who could break the press due to that Arkansas couldn't fluster any of their ball handlers because there were so many. Isu did not turn the ball over in live situations like we would have hoped. They are a good team who beat a good team. We of all fan bases should know that sometimes visiting teams just sometimes walk into a buzz saw when they step into the arena.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 9:19 am to CtotheVrzrbck
The team has been lights out from deep this year. Not really a problem. I actually think that was one of the worst deep ball we have had all year and it was good for 36% which is actually good.
Posted on 12/6/14 at 9:29 am to LittleRockHog501
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People complaining about the offense like it was the problem in the loss. If anything people should have been pissed at the defense.
I guess.
I will give Iowa State credit for using Arkansas' advantage against them on that end of the court.
They were not running set plays, they were not running their offense "inside out", or any other myth of what it takes to win games against good competition or where the game is played. They were spacing the floor and using quick passes leading to open looks from the rotations of the d and mismatches from switching by the D. Then the were hitting contested shots when they occurred as well.
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46%+ from the field overall, and 36% from deep normally is enough to at least keep you in the game. Not win a team shoots like Iowa State did.
That and if you have several unforced turnovers, which they did, which has been uncharacteristic of this team this year.
Niang is a match up problem for every team on ISU's schedule. He also presents a match up problem for ISU as he isn't a true block to block player, but he does end up having to guard block to block players. ISU chose to trap at the block on entry passes, that led to wide open threes to the opposite area behind the arc past the elbow.
The shot was there all night long, wide open looks were given all night long, Arkansas couldn't hit enough of them to stop them from doing this.
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